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Post by msims on Jun 2, 2024 17:38:41 GMT -5
www.the-sun.com/tv/11498277/americas-got-talent-contestants-famous-elimination-jackie-evancho/NO STOPPING THEM America’s Got Talent contestants who became more famous than winners after being eliminated including Jackie Evancho Phillip McDonald, Entertainment Reporter Published: 16:56 ET, Jun 2 2024Updated: 16:56 ET, Jun 2 2024 Jackie alot and Lindsey are heavily involved in this article promoting AGT. Wild. I read a reddit page about OR [Oivia Rodrigo] fans concerned with how shes going to make it through a tour because her voice is weak Reminds me of Jackie fans concerned with how she was going to make it through a tour because her voice was weak. Jackie has solved that problem by not going on tours. Exactly when and who did a fan think her voice was "weak" as in she had a cold or something? That was the case at the Inauguration but few other times. Well Social Fan said he isn’t a Jackie fan! He loves to delete post! You notice he is saying Jackie is having trouble getting venues for her concerts! Jackie said the same thing awhile back that she can't get venues because of her low social media numbers. She has since said multiple times that they are in the process of working on tour dates. There is a bit of denial about that update, she is also perhaps working with the Lakeside Entertainment which would be a management group that could help her book her tour. One needs to use all evidence not just cherry picked. https://www.instagram.com/p/C7m-Rppp6pU That takes guesting at multiple major events or TV specials, or something like that. Social media cannot bootstrap social media attention to that degree, IMO. At least not quickly. Not unless there's a magic formula for getting nearly everyone to hit "share" on a lot of posts. Nobody pays me to advertise for them; I'll sooner hit "share" for either Jackie or for something I think might be of value to the relatively few followers I have (or want) than I will for other entertainers or for most non-factual topics where opinions would be very divided. But I won't do it for everything even by Jackie, people would get tired of that. It's cute to like a performer, but to look like a Deadhead living in their minibus off to the next event is creepy. And unsanitary. No it is not hard to gain 900,000 instagram followers if you are talent enough. So is Jackie just doing everything wrong and this girl (not even a singer) just doing everything right that can gain more followers in one day than Jackie has made in 14 years. You are comparing a CC artist (the new EP is a mix of styles with a pop/rock edge to it) who is not a fan of social media with an actress who got her own tv show. What is the rationale and what is Caz going to respond with to encourage this baloney? Also the response that Jackie is part of a "generation". TS who was born in '89 and they are all trying to emulate to varying degrees of success and were completely unknown until five years ago in 2019 or later. By then Jackie had released 10 chart topping albums, EP and DVD.
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Post by Chart Topping on Jun 2, 2024 18:50:02 GMT -5
Weren't many of the last several albums No. 1 on the sales charts? And weren't they on it for just one week? I'm asking because I don't remember. No. 1 on those charts for one week probably means the albums got the most initial orders. It doesn't mean they even sold, as unsold albums are returned to the distributor. That's what I understood anyway.
On Jackie's "weak" voice: I think she does have a weak voice in her high register. If she's belting it sounds strong (at least it did on her Emergence album. Wait, what was the name? Seriously I'm having a brain fart. Anyway, until I think of it, her high register was pretty powerful on The Debut, too. Ah, Awakening. I was thinking Blossoming or something, and then it came to me.
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Post by Socal Fan on Jun 2, 2024 18:55:17 GMT -5
She has since said multiple times that they are in the process of working on tour dates. There is a bit of denial about that update, she is also perhaps working with the Lakeside Entertainment which would be a management group that could help her book her tour. One needs to use all evidence not just cherry picked. The facts are that (1) Jackie has said multiple times that they are in the process of working on tour dates and (2) no tour has materialized. I therefore conclude that they are having trouble getting acceptable offers from venues. Otherwise, the tour would already have been launched. In fact, I suspect that they have been working on tour dates since BME was launched in Sep last year. Jackie's website announced that the EP was already "completed" last year. I suspect that the only thing holding back the EP release was problems getting tour venues since I can't think of anything else that could cause the delay.
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Post by amg1977 on Jun 2, 2024 19:05:45 GMT -5
So is Jackie just doing everything wrong and this girl (not even a singer) just doing everything right that can gain more followers in one day than Jackie has made in 14 years. Edit: Sorry that is 10 times more new follower in one day than Jackie made in 14 years. Is that really a fair comparison? Those huge gains by Jenna Ortega came at the time when she was the breakout star of a hugely successful new TV series where she was playing an iconic character (Wednesday Addams). That's a bit like comparing Jackie to Billie Eilish when she broke into the mainstream. Jenna, like Billie, is very talented but also caught lightning in a bottle. It's like when Millie Bobby Brown got the part of Eleven in Stranger Things. It was a breakout role and both Millie and Jenna nailed it. Jackie is not in anywhere near that situation.
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Post by richard on Jun 2, 2024 20:08:26 GMT -5
So is Jackie just doing everything wrong and this girl (not even a singer) just doing everything right that can gain more followers in one day than Jackie has made in 14 years. Edit: Sorry that is 10 times more new follower in one day than Jackie made in 14 years. Is that really a fair comparison? Those huge gains by Jenna Ortega came at the time when she was the breakout star of a hugely successful new TV series where she was playing an iconic character (Wednesday Addams). That's a bit like comparing Jackie to Billie Eilish when she broke into the mainstream. Jenna, like Billie, is very talented but also caught lightning in a bottle. It's like when Millie Bobby Brown got the part of Eleven in Stranger Things. It was a breakout role and both Millie and Jenna nailed it. Jackie is not in anywhere near that situation. Jenna was not a break out star she has made many films and was a Disney kid in the series "Stuck in the Middle" before she played "Wednesday" she was known as the new scream Queen because she played in a lot of horror movies, and a frequent guest on Netflix series "You".
We know msims said social media wasn't important in 2010 but that is how Jenna got her start.
Jenna's mom posted a video for fun or Jenna doing a monologue when she was 7 years old.
Like several other young celebrities, Jenna's parents got her an agent and they didn't take any interest in her career except for making sure she got where she needed to be after all they had 5 other children to care for.
Yes I think you can compare Jackie to Jenna as they were both Gen-Z celebrities and Jenna like her friend OR show what a lot of hard work can do compared to someone like Jackie that wants to take the path of least resistance always. Does anyone think Jackie could live on set for 8 months in Romania to make a movie with out family along. Jenna also shows why it is good to get acting parts no mater what you do in the entertainment industry. If Grace Vanderwaal's roll in Megalopolis plays out it will help her career in singing also. Especially if she gets the opportunity to do PR for the movie.
I think it is good to see what happens when a young celebrity who's career is almost completely ran by agents and managers as opposed to a mom/pop micro-managed career.
Jenna stars in a movie that originally came out in 1988. Beatlejuice 2 will be out in September.
Only a Gen-Z would know you don't say Beatlejuice 3 times.
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Post by donkey on Jun 2, 2024 20:32:55 GMT -5
She has since said multiple times that they are in the process of working on tour dates. There is a bit of denial about that update, she is also perhaps working with the Lakeside Entertainment which would be a management group that could help her book her tour. One needs to use all evidence not just cherry picked. The facts are that (1) Jackie has said multiple times that they are in the process of working on tour dates and (2) no tour has materialized. I therefore conclude that they are having trouble getting acceptable offers from venues. Otherwise, the tour would already have been launched. In fact, I suspect that they have been working on tour dates since BME was launched in Sep last year. Jackie's website announced that the EP was already "completed" last year. I suspect that the only thing holding back the EP release was problems getting tour venues since I can't think of anything else that could cause the delay. And also remember, all show dates are set at least 60 days in advance, so we are already looking at the first week in August before any new shows announced today would occur. She probably wont have any shows in December except an Xmas show or two. So, we are likely looking at fall show dates, if they happen at all. We'd better start hearing of some concert dates in the next four weeks or so for two months out, or it will start looking like there will be no dates.
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Post by colt46 on Jun 2, 2024 20:47:33 GMT -5
Remember Jackie said they are working on concert dates, well time is a wasting ! Let’s put the petal to the metal and get going ! Nothing is stopping her from updating her social media platforms !
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Post by msims on Jun 2, 2024 21:14:36 GMT -5
She has since said multiple times that they are in the process of working on tour dates. There is a bit of denial about that update, she is also perhaps working with the Lakeside Entertainment which would be a management group that could help her book her tour. One needs to use all evidence not just cherry picked. The facts are that (1) Jackie has said multiple times that they are in the process of working on tour dates and (2) no tour has materialized. You and the other posters will not want to hear anything reality based but there has been issues with artists cancelling entire tours. If there is any current validity to what you are saying, then its an industry issue and not a Jackie issue. Because as she also made clear: she has different management now. I think it is good to see what happens when a young celebrity who's career is almost completely ran by agents and managers as opposed to a mom/pop micro-managed career. Mike and Lisa were involved in decisions when she was a child, not when shes an adult. Lisa has not been involved in any career decisions in numerous years.
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Post by Socal Fan on Jun 2, 2024 22:48:54 GMT -5
You and the other posters will not want to hear anything reality based but there has been issues with artists cancelling entire tours. If there is any current validity to what you are saying, then its an industry issue and not a Jackie issue. Because as she also made clear: she has different management now. From your own link above: "Live Nation reported its biggest first quarter ever, with $3.8 billion in revenues. Its concerts business alone was up 26% to $2.9 billion, while “estimated fans” globally were up more than 20%, and up 42% in North America. Yet official government data points to the makings of a return to a more normal pace for live music event sales after a post-pandemic boom. The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported last month that movie and concert admissions prices climbed just 3.4% year over year through April, the lowest reading since 2021 and the second-consecutive month showing a slowdown. Dave Clark, editor of Ticket News, which tracks the live entertainment industry, said the period of explosive live music growth following pandemic reopenings may in hindsight be seen as an aberration: People were simply more eager — and more financially able — to go to as many shows as they could after months cooped up indoors."There are always tours being cancelled and new tours being launched. But there is no general problem with the live concert industry and it is still growing. There was unsustainably large post-pandemic growth but now the industry is simply returning to its previously slower growth. It's hardly anything to be alarmed about. If there is a problem with Jackie's concerts, it is a Jackie problem and not an industry problem. But there will always be winners and losers. You don't hear Tate Mcrae complaining - so far, she has sold out Madison Sq Garden except for 66 seats.
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Post by eulenspiegel on Jun 2, 2024 23:30:21 GMT -5
Remember Jackie said they are working on concert dates, well time is a wasting ! Let’s put the metal to the pedal and get going ! Nothing is stopping her from updating her social media platforms ! Perhaps getting first some voice lessons from Mama Bear (Bachelor in Musical Performance Michigan University) even after 30years..she has the basics…Jackie never tried to get. And I am pretty sure she trained her voice in recent weeks far more than Jackie in the last 14 years. www.instagram.com/reel/C7rhTwkpkVn/?igsh=MTM2ZWU2dWd3cmt5MA==
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Post by msims on Jun 2, 2024 23:37:37 GMT -5
You and the other posters will not want to hear anything reality based but there has been issues with artists cancelling entire tours. If there is any current validity to what you are saying, then its an industry issue and not a Jackie issue. Because as she also made clear: she has different management now. From your own link above: "Live Nation reported its biggest first quarter ever, with $3.8 billion in revenues. Its concerts business alone was up 26% to $2.9 billion, while “estimated fans” globally were up more than 20%, and up 42% in North America. Yet official government data points to the makings of a return to a more normal pace for live music event sales after a post-pandemic boom. The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported last month that movie and concert admissions prices climbed just 3.4% year over year through April, the lowest reading since 2021 and the second-consecutive month showing a slowdown. Dave Clark, editor of Ticket News, which tracks the live entertainment industry, said the period of explosive live music growth following pandemic reopenings may in hindsight be seen as an aberration: People were simply more eager — and more financially able — to go to as many shows as they could after months cooped up indoors."There are always tours being cancelled and new tours being launched. But there is no general problem with the live concert industry and it is still growing. There was unsustainably large post-pandemic growth but now the industry is simply returning to its previously slower growth. It's hardly anything to be alarmed about. If there is a problem with Jackie's concerts, it is a Jackie problem and not an industry problem. But there will always be winners and losers. You don't hear Tate Mcrae complaining - so far, she has sold out Madison Sq Garden except for 66 seats. 66 should be the title of her next single. I see that doing minus a billion streams. Jackie is definitely not a Mom and Pop operation or that Winery tour would have been cancelled, if Lisa was still involved that is and with no explanation. Its not easy to say how Jackie would do touring wise, considering only BME has gained traction and monthly listeners has decreased, I wonder why. Its interesting though that kids are buying physical cds as they did the other week with BE and TS and btw according to one of the articles I read, even TS had issues selling tickets on her prior tour, thats interesting but thats definitely not an issue on her latest/last tour. So that could happen to anyone, not just Jackie. I think though advertising is key and not just using social media. How is she going to promote a tour though, will there be TV?
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Post by She Needs A Band on Jun 3, 2024 0:50:49 GMT -5
Whatever advantages Jackie had from AGT, PBS, TMS etc., those tickets have been punched. She's a startup artist. She released some good songs. Some people listen to them, but I doubt she has the audience to launch a tour.
The songs on Solla need a band. If she tries to tour without a band (i.e., backing track) it will flop.
If I were in her musical orbit, I'd say get some really good musicians from the area and start rehearsing for FUN. A side project. It has to be fun. Get her manager on board with the idea. She has to start acting like a startup musician and do actual music locally. Practice in a garage or a basement. Do it for no money. Do it to see if it can work. Proof of concept. Be part of a group that she can relate to and have fun together. Some of the best bands in the world started out with local musicians getting together to jam. Jackie has some actual songs they can do. If she thinks everything has to be big and successful, then she's just going to stress herself out.
She doesn't have to be an "alt-pop" sensation. She said herself that she doesn't want to be pinned to a genre. Today I listened to the Bleachers' new album. It's just an example, but this is a mature band, and I very strongly felt that this is the kind of band Jackie could open for, and they do the kind of mature music she is likely aiming for. A group of young and talented musicians who have ideas can workshop stuff with her, totally or partially outside of her label. Immersion into a new, forward-looking creative world with no expectations would be freeing, and would build her confidence.
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Post by BOGC on Jun 3, 2024 2:16:10 GMT -5
Whatever advantages Jackie had from AGT, PBS, TMS etc., those tickets have been punched. She's a startup artist. She released some good songs. Some people listen to them, but I doubt she has the audience to launch a tour. The songs on Solla need a band. If she tries to tour without a band (i.e., backing track) it will flop. If I were in her musical orbit, I'd say get some really good musicians from the area and start rehearsing for FUN. A side project. It has to be fun. Get her manager on board with the idea. She has to start acting like a startup musician and do actual music locally. Practice in a garage or a basement. Do it for no money. Do it to see if it can work. Proof of concept. Be part of a group that she can relate to and have fun together. Some of the best bands in the world started out with local musicians getting together to jam. Jackie has some actual songs they can do. If she thinks everything has to be big and successful, then she's just going to stress herself out. She doesn't have to be an "alt-pop" sensation. She said herself that she doesn't want to be pinned to a genre. Today I listened to the Bleachers' new album. It's just an example, but this is a mature band, and I very strongly felt that this is the kind of band Jackie could open for, and they do the kind of mature music she is likely aiming for. A group of young and talented musicians who have ideas can workshop stuff with her, totally or partially outside of her label. Immersion into a new, forward-looking creative world with no expectations would be freeing, and would build her confidence. There's something to that, but I'd be uncomfortable with the idea of her being within a mile of a place where free bar bands play. Even places that pay a little can be excessive some way, maybe not customer behavior, but no idea that volume set to 11 is unhealthy. A place I like that has good Irish food, I won't go to Thu-Sat evening without earplugs. Maybe there are a FEW venues that are reputable and encourage that sort of thing for variety, local interest, etc. But they'd have to be vetted to make sure they're civilized. Check police reports, too. :-)
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Post by colt46 on Jun 3, 2024 6:19:44 GMT -5
Jackie can’t let any stone unturned , she is a unknown today , being known at 10 and 11 has long gone and she has to get new fans , in order to get new fans you have to perform, not just performing a handful of times during a course of a year! She is an adult now and school is no longer a restriction on her!
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Post by eulenspiegel on Jun 3, 2024 6:44:34 GMT -5
Jackie can’t let any stone unturned , she is a unknown today , being known at 10 and 11 has long gone and she has to get new fans , in order to get new fans you have to perform, not just performing a handful of times during a course of a year! She is an adult now and school is no longer a restriction on her! You really don‘t get it…she is not able to perform more..without selling out venues..touring is impossible .. and as she does not have the fan base..she won‘t sell out..she would be bankrupt in a year. A few Len Rausch‘s won‘t pay the bills..the musicians, the venue, the traveling, the hotel.. No one will book her..especially with her new music..she is a nobody in todays music industry…only one concert in Florida in front of 70 or 80 yo with her CC trash…or perhaps a concert in her hometown..maybe without risk
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