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Post by amg1977 on Jun 13, 2024 17:11:04 GMT -5
I wasnt suggesting A or B were losing money (I have no evidence), but C or D maybe. What other expenses there are such as hotels, flights, etc it adds up. Touring by bus is a way to save money. I don't know or care to know as shes not relevant and none of them are and you don't seem to care, you just spam.
It all depends on whether an artist is willing to be realistic about the marketplace - particularly if they are charging exorbitant ticket prices. It's not streaming that is the ripoff but Ticketmaster who doubles the price in "handling fees" and have a near monopoly on ticket sales. If an artist budgets an average of $60 a ticket, Ticketmaster makes it $120. Ticket prices have a lot to do with the problem.
I don't know the specifics of Lorde's case, but she may have had unrealistic expectations and booked the same size arenas as her last tour. The fact is she isn't as popular as she had been five years ago and her most recent album's streaming numbers were anemic by her standards. Sometimes when you are used to a certain size venue, they don't want to hear about scaling it back. The fact is that both Billie Eilish and Lorde are touring near the same time and younger alt-pop fans can see one of them, who do you think they will go to see?
There are also other factors that could be involved. I have spent money to see a concert only to have the artist show up an hour late and acted like they wished they could be anywhere but there. Needless to say, I would never see them again. Some artists have a reputation for being unprofessional and/or unprepared and their career suffers. Back when I was young, Sly and the Family Stone were notorious for showing up late, fumbling through their set, and cutting it short. It later turned out they were all high as a kite and Sly was an acid burnout.
As an aside, S&FS did an appearance on the old Dick Cavett show on ABC. After a perfomance where the whole group appeared high and played like it (first video below), Dick interviewed Sly (second video) and he was umm .... interesting (second video). There are videos earlier in their career when they were not as drug addled and they were great. These videos explain why they pretty much dissolved a few years later.
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Post by donkey on Jun 13, 2024 17:18:12 GMT -5
So, all the singers he has worked with are great singers except for Jackie? He's a huckster who worked with a lot of singers. Some were great singers to begin with, others had a media hype or recognition behind them that he wanted to cash in on. Jackie was in the latter group. If he had thought she was such a great singer, he would have jumped to promote her when she was on his show prior to AGT. He didn't. That speaks volumes. Then he showed up to cash in, and cut and ran when he realized she really wasn't going to amount to anything once the circus left town. LoL...you mean when she was 8 or 9 and barely developed and totally unknown? I don't think so. He helped her when it made sense to help her...when she had attained national exposure and fame after a string of amazing performances on AGT, and was in a place to start that professional career. He's no huckster, he a massively talented, wildly successful professional who has worked with the best vocal talents in the world and achieved phenomenal results. Your narrative just doesnt fly. He was already filthy rich and grammy laden...he certainly didn't need the few relatively paltry bucks that Jackie's early success provided him. He clearly thought her voice was outstanding...and he was correct.
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Post by amg1977 on Jun 13, 2024 17:27:06 GMT -5
So, all the singers he has worked with are great singers except for Jackie? He's a huckster who worked with a lot of singers. Some were great singers to begin with, others had a media hype or recognition behind them that he wanted to cash in on. Jackie was in the latter group. If he had thought she was such a great singer, he would have jumped to promote her when she was on his show prior to AGT. He didn't. That speaks volumes. Then he showed up to cash in, and cut and ran when he realized she really wasn't going to amount to anything once the circus left town.
I hate to break the news to people but Foster is not a legendary producer of the rank of George Martin (or even Max Martin). His main commercial success is in writing and producing insipid power ballads. After Chicago stopped being a jazz-rock crossover group and became a bland Peter Cetera led 80s pop group, Foster worked with them on such regrettable (though highly successful) tracks like "Hard to Say I'm Sorry" and "You're the Inspiration." It was this period that earned him the title of King of Pop Kitsch. I would be happy for him to have no professional interaction with Jackie in the future.
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Post by donkey on Jun 13, 2024 17:33:32 GMT -5
He's a huckster who worked with a lot of singers. Some were great singers to begin with, others had a media hype or recognition behind them that he wanted to cash in on. Jackie was in the latter group. If he had thought she was such a great singer, he would have jumped to promote her when she was on his show prior to AGT. He didn't. That speaks volumes. Then he showed up to cash in, and cut and ran when he realized she really wasn't going to amount to anything once the circus left town.
I hate to break the news to people but Foster is not a legendary producer of the rank of George Martin (or even Max Martin). His main commercial success is in writing and producing insipid power ballads. After Chicago stopped being a jazz-rock crossover group and became a bland Peter Cetera led 80s pop group, Foster worked with them on such regrettable (though highly successful) tracks like "Hard to Say I'm Sorry" and "You're the Inspiration." It was this period that earned him the title of King of Pop Kitsch. I would be happy for him to have no professional interaction with Jackie in the future.
LoL...I find your music snobbery far more insipid than Foster's power ballads. I think his commercial success and truckload of Grammys speak for themselves. Iconic songwriter.
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Post by colt46 on Jun 13, 2024 18:20:49 GMT -5
What about David Fosters 16 Grammys sitting on his piano 🎹 I don’t think that’s nothing !
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Post by Elevator Muzak on Jun 13, 2024 18:35:25 GMT -5
He's a huckster who worked with a lot of singers. Some were great singers to begin with, others had a media hype or recognition behind them that he wanted to cash in on. Jackie was in the latter group. If he had thought she was such a great singer, he would have jumped to promote her when she was on his show prior to AGT. He didn't. That speaks volumes. Then he showed up to cash in, and cut and ran when he realized she really wasn't going to amount to anything once the circus left town. I hate to break the news to people but Foster is not a legendary producer of the rank of George Martin (or even Max Martin). His main commercial success is in writing and producing insipid power ballads. After Chicago stopped being a jazz-rock crossover group and became a bland Peter Cetera led 80s pop group, Foster worked with them on such regrettable (though highly successful) tracks like "Hard to Say I'm Sorry" and "You're the Inspiration." It was this period that earned him the title of King of Pop Kitsch. I would be happy for him to have no professional interaction with Jackie in the future.
I call David Foster the guy who ruined Chicago. Whether he actually did or not I don't care, those songs suck, so I blame him. Insipid is right.
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Post by donkey on Jun 13, 2024 18:49:31 GMT -5
I hate to break the news to people but Foster is not a legendary producer of the rank of George Martin (or even Max Martin). His main commercial success is in writing and producing insipid power ballads. After Chicago stopped being a jazz-rock crossover group and became a bland Peter Cetera led 80s pop group, Foster worked with them on such regrettable (though highly successful) tracks like "Hard to Say I'm Sorry" and "You're the Inspiration." It was this period that earned him the title of King of Pop Kitsch. I would be happy for him to have no professional interaction with Jackie in the future.
I call David Foster the guy who ruined Chicago. Whether he actually did or not I don't care, those songs suck, so I blame him. Insipid is right. To each his own, but me and millions of other people disagree. I think those songs are great! Love them. And Foster wrote tons of songs...surely even you like some of them.
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Post by colt46 on Jun 13, 2024 18:50:03 GMT -5
Elevator Muzak you are on the wrong side of history!
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Post by colt46 on Jun 13, 2024 18:51:33 GMT -5
David Foster is laughing all the way to the bank at his critics!
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Post by donkey on Jun 13, 2024 19:12:00 GMT -5
David Foster is laughing all the way to the bank at his critics! I don't know how anyone could not love this stuff. It's iconic 80s power ballad pop music. Beautiful stuff, IMO.
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Post by colt46 on Jun 13, 2024 19:17:57 GMT -5
People that are jealous are the ones that are David Fosters critics!
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Post by donkey on Jun 13, 2024 19:24:43 GMT -5
People that are jealous are the ones that are David Fosters critics! And then there is this. This music was a huge part of my high school years.
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Post by Chi Town on Jun 13, 2024 19:34:41 GMT -5
Rolling Stone did a good article on the David Foster documentary. They picked some things they learned from the film. This is what they said about Chicago: Rolling Stone article: 8 Things We Learned From "Off the Record" DocSo there's no doubt that David Foster resurrected a great band in decline, but Foster doesn't come out looking good in this. Chicago's debut album Chicago Transit Authority ranks in my top 10 of all time.
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Post by johnnyb on Jun 13, 2024 19:42:27 GMT -5
David Foster is laughing all the way to the bank at his critics! More like is crying after looking at his bank balance after 4 divorces. ROFL!
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Post by donkey on Jun 13, 2024 19:50:08 GMT -5
David Foster is laughing all the way to the bank at his critics! More like is crying after looking at his bank balance after 4 divorces. ROFL!
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