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Post by Disappointed on Jun 21, 2024 23:45:53 GMT -5
"becoming a chart-topping platinum selling artist" That 4 song Christmas EP recorded over a weekend that only sold that many copies because people who missed AGT wanted to see those performances so they bought it for the enclosed DVD? That masterful ingenious musical masterpiece? Yeah, I don't think the public is buying that fraud anymore. As someone who got lost in time has said..... Move on!!!
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Post by msims on Jun 21, 2024 23:52:35 GMT -5
She doesn't want to be seen as that 10 year old or compared which you just did here, she wants to be seen as 24. That is rather rich coming from you. You have no problem telling us how successful she supposedly was as a child. Perhaps, it's time for you to finally turn that page as well. You are in a forum about Jackie Evancho so discussing her marketing (in the marketing is the mention of her success) and the fact that she is no longer managed the same way she was when she was a child and had to have her parents involved is not the same thing and your posts are word salad (a mixture of words or phrases that is confused and difficult to understand) and I tend to skip them. You also cannot control what other posters say. I disagree. I think that Jackie is very aware of the current state of her career, and how hard its been to get any traction with her original songs. It's pretty hard to miss. Its been discussed the traction of the originals and even Jackie has discussed that in interviews. Here for instance hasnt been posted, there are other examples but its hot: https://www.instagram.com/p/C7CQCDzgKvm She doesn't want to be seen as that 10 year old or compared which you just did here, she wants to be seen as 24. Since you are comparing her to actors or actually child actors, if they started out as young as Jackie did then their parents were involved as well. I am not really sure what your point was in going back to her Parents once again. She makes her own decisions now. Didn't you watch the interview. Jackie said it was during Covid when she stopped acting like a 10 year old. She would have been at least 21 year old when she stopped acting like a 10 year old and you are just kidding yourself if you don't think Mike and Lisa had a lot to do with it as they micro managed everything Jackie did and Mike undoubtedly still does. There is just no way Jackie can all of a sudden go from acting like a 10 year old for 10 years, than just become a normal 24 year old. I think they screwed her mind up big time and wouldn't even know how to act around people her own age. It's Jackie's old fan base that wanted Jackie to stay forever 10 years old. They can't seem to say anything about her without going back more than 10 years ago. M&L are the only nobodies (colt and the sour kraut called Jackie a nobody) as they took a leap and helped Jackie and because of their support and decisions Jackie and her family made quite a bit of money and so did MANY other people. J/M/L even created a whole sub genre for child prodigies all over the world (as she performed on BGT as well so worldwide) but because there are people like yourself who tend to project and make up stories around one factoid or two that yes Jackie felt that she couldnt keep up with the image of a 10 year old. What the hell that means and why is something that only could be pulled out of her by a competent interviewer like Jordan Peterson for instance. There are fans who are older and still see a young Jackie and there are those like myself who appreciate and are very nostalgic when it comes to a number of artists as well for instance from the 70's and 80's but I want Jackie to be as authentic as she could be to herself and that means telling her story and complaining is Gen Z btw, since you are all about that. And NO ONE likes social media you seem to think everyone but Jackie loves it, that too is gaslighting. She hasn't been very productive in some areas – writing and learning musical instruments for example. She has put up a few videos to suggest that she plays the instruments in the house, but from one video to the next there doesn't appear to be any progress toward actually knowing how to play. On the zoom call with Jackie, Greg, and Sanborn: Greg mentioned that Jackie played instruments on the album. I believe she is alot better than a 30 second clip you saw of her trying to learn another song or whatever. Jackie has no musical talent instrument-wise. Incorrect But the new stuff...she has no fan base for. Incorrect There are alot of people with over 100k followers. Why does it matter? That doesn't mean their talented.
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Post by donkey on Jun 22, 2024 0:16:34 GMT -5
"becoming a chart-topping platinum selling artist" That 4 song Christmas EP recorded over a weekend that only sold that many copies because people who missed AGT wanted to see those performances so they bought it for the enclosed DVD? That masterful ingenious musical masterpiece? Yeah, I don't think the public is buying that fraud anymore. As someone who got lost in time has said..... Move on!!! Omg Disappointed, are you STILL harping about that platinum album? LoL...get over it man. It officially went platinum, whether you agree with that or not is irrelevant. It's officially recognized. ROFL And so people wanted to see the DVD...what was on the DVD? That's right, her music. Give it up...Jackie gets platinum and you get sour grapes. ROFL
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Post by msims on Jun 22, 2024 0:38:41 GMT -5
That 4 song Christmas EP recorded over a weekend that only sold that many copies because people who missed AGT wanted to see those performances so they bought it for the enclosed DVD? That masterful ingenious musical masterpiece? Yeah, I don't think the public is buying that fraud anymore. As someone who got lost in time has said..... Move on!!! sold that many copies because: Oprah, qvc. etc and because she could sell water to a fire hydrant at that point in time. Her finale still is the highest rated agt episode. Shes done more for that show in boosting it and as much so as someone like a Terry Fator. Without Jackie and the audience falling in love with Jackie, other child prodigies who came after, nobody would know them. Darci maybe in her home town but not much elsewhere. After 13 years of work she can get gigs but I suspect the only reason more havent been booked is she wants to write or they want to see how these shows do, there is always a simple explanation creating a soap opera is anti-fan. Rickky seems to think and its not wrong but its not right either that because you are successful you should write in between albums while you are touring however some people spend years and still find success.
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Post by Bored Now on Jun 22, 2024 0:47:28 GMT -5
Speaking of moving on, I'm guessing that the idea behind the 54 Below show is to thread the past to the present, to give the impression that there is seamless continuity between her "platinum" past and her songwriting present. That doesn't interest me. I have been critical of her repeated attempts at renewal (Awakening, Two Hearts, The Debut) that never seem to achieve the desired result of increased notoriety, increased sales, etc.
By turns, she showed us her glow-up awakening, her divided passions, her Broadway talents, her playful Kitty side, and her long pent-up need for honesty expressed in her new songs. But although each of those efforts deserves their own recognition, it's hard not to look at them collectively as an overplayed marketing strategy: "Hey, don't leave, I'm just getting started. I'm sill famous." And now, the "My Life" 54 Below show just comes across as yet another page in an old and yellowing playbook.
Solla was excellent. She should only move forward from there. It's too soon (or too late?) for reminiscing.
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Post by Word Salad on Jun 22, 2024 1:03:01 GMT -5
LOL the term "word salad" has been used to describe YOUR posts in the past. Now (as you have done so often) you turn the phrase around on someone else. You are the master deflector. The sous chef of word salad. No one is creating drama. Yes, there is are explanations for why she isn't gigging like she used to, which is what people on this forum propose. It is not "anti-fan" to discuss Jackie's career one way or another.
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Post by msims on Jun 22, 2024 1:03:03 GMT -5
Speaking of moving on, I'm guessing that the idea behind the 54 Below show is to thread the past to the present, to give the impression that there is seamless continuity between her "platinum" past and her songwriting present. That doesn't interest me. I have been critical of her repeated attempts at renewal (Awakening, Two Hearts, The Debut) that never seem to achieve the desired result of increased notoriety, increased sales, etc. Nope. Thats rewriting history in an anti-fan way which is common here. The CC Vocal market you project pop into a niche market. CC which is pop but its more traditional and aimed towards older people. Christmas albums were used to create a commercial success and they in fact were a market in itself where suddenly everyone was doing christmas albums at the time and some were great produced by DF. The fact that someone was brilliant enough to take a child prodigy singing Christmas material it was just perfect marketing and DWM was perfect as well. What came after only seemed to build on the previous successes and provide material to tour on and there was alot of good stuff on those albums. The thought that looking back is somehow a bad thing is crazy and simply put if one cannot get the past correct, then they cant be credible to discuss the present.
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Post by Anti-fan on Jun 22, 2024 1:13:02 GMT -5
Speaking of moving on, I'm guessing that the idea behind the 54 Below show is to thread the past to the present, to give the impression that there is seamless continuity between her "platinum" past and her songwriting present. That doesn't interest me. I have been critical of her repeated attempts at renewal (Awakening, Two Hearts, The Debut) that never seem to achieve the desired result of increased notoriety, increased sales, etc. Nope. Thats rewriting history in an anti-fan way which is common here. The CC Vocal market was you project pop into a niche market like CC which is pop its more traditional and aimed towards older people. Christmas albums were used to create a commercial success and they in fact were a market in itself where suddenly everyone was doing christmas albums at the time and some were great produced by DF. The fact that someone was brilliant enough to of a child prodigy singing Christmas material it was just perfect marketing and DWM was perfect as well. What came after only seemed to build on the previous successes and provide material to tour on and there was alot of good stuff on those albums. The thought that looking back is somehow a bad thing is crazy and simply put if one cannot get the past correct, then they cant be credible to discuss the present. You don't say. No, seriously, you don't say.
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Post by msims on Jun 22, 2024 1:16:38 GMT -5
LOL the term "word salad" has been used to describe YOUR posts in the past. Now (as you have done so often) you turn the phrase around on someone else. You are the master deflector. The sous chef of word salad. No one is creating drama. Yes, there is are explanations for why she isn't gigging like she used to, which is what people on this forum propose. It is not "anti-fan" to discuss Jackie's career one way or another. Of course my posts dont make sense to you because you have narcissism and a form of psychosis driven by an artist and her real fans, not the fake one you made up. Her prior success is your issue not mine so projecting some bizarre OTT baloney onto me, I don't care. You live for the drama Caz that you create. You have done this for years, you want attention and your bots to validate you, to feed your narcissism. That she has no career as you have stated on your donkey account just recently or that she cannot get gigs is a fantasy. She has toured for a decade or so combined so would have to be on bath salts to buy that. Case in the point the Texas gig, because that was not in a dinner theater and it was strictly CC it worked out and she can do that again IF she wants to and if you believe otherwise, doesn't matter to me because I live in reality. You wasted over a decade trolling because you don't like a singer, when you could have been out there frollicking. Someone needs to sit you down and tell you that hate is not good for you, you have to get over it and move on.
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Post by Moany Baloney on Jun 22, 2024 1:20:58 GMT -5
I'm not who you think I am, sims.
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Post by colt46 on Jun 22, 2024 2:42:25 GMT -5
You are not who you think you are Moany Baloney !
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Post by colt46 on Jun 22, 2024 6:37:45 GMT -5
How do you explain Jackie’s gold record Disappointed or are you going to begrudge her that too ? You are something Disappointed you spend every waking moment complaining about Jackie’s Platinum album 💿!.
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Post by colt46 on Jun 22, 2024 6:41:31 GMT -5
Jackie has a beautiful voice, bad management is the reason nobody knows who she is, pop laying by the pool 🏊♀️ isn’t going to cut it!
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Post by Socal Fan on Jun 22, 2024 8:10:20 GMT -5
Soccer posts moved to Off Topic thread.
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Post by Socal Fan on Jun 22, 2024 8:15:02 GMT -5
How do you explain Jackie’s gold record Disappointed or are you going to begrudge her that too ? You are something Disappointed you spend every waking moment complaining about Jackie’s Platinum album 💿!. Some people spend every waking moment complaining about Jackie. Others spend every waking moment complaining about Disappointed. Different people make different choices.
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