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Post by donkey on Jul 2, 2024 17:23:25 GMT -5
Its all about money with Disney executives, and Jackie cant act...we've covered this already. Now, if they just want her to sing Disney songs in a pretty dress, that's another story No getting their WOKE agenda is their #1 priority that is why everything Disney is going down hill including Disney Land and Disney World. Their movies have been losing money for a long time and Jenna Ortega doesn't want to have any part of it unless they rewrite the script and take any WOKE parts out of it. Jenna was even called out by the writers guild because she changed the script several times making "Wednesday". Okay, you got me there. Money USED to be what it is all about. You are right, Disney in particular has lost a HUGE amount of money with their bat sh*t crazy wokeness.
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Post by msims on Jul 2, 2024 17:32:05 GMT -5
Jackie is far too used to be being the solo star with her own concerts and her own career. I don't really see her wanting to be reduced to opening for someone else with songs she seems to still lack confidence in singing live, even in front of her friendly fan base. To do what you suggest would require a total mindset change on her part, and a huge boost of confidence in her own material. Another problem with being an opening act is who would she open for? Not singers who perform in arenas, she's not a very big draw at this point in time. Jackie could draw audiences no problem either as an opener or headliner or co-headliner and shes done that for years. Talent will always attract people and that includes industry people. I also said just her and Jorn would do just fine in Vegas. There is no room for pessimism in an artists discussion btw.
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Post by donkey on Jul 2, 2024 17:34:24 GMT -5
Another problem with being an opening act is who would she open for? Not singers who perform in arenas, she's not a very big draw at this point in time. Jackie could draw audiences no problem either as an opener or headliner or co-headliner and shes done that for years. Talent will always attract people and that includes industry people. I also said just her and Jorn would do just fine in Vegas. There is no room for pessimism in an artists discussion btw. Reality isn't pessimism...it is what it is. And there is room for optimism and pessimism and everything in between in a forum like this, you know, since it's not a fan forum. You've got the optimism covered, Disappointed has the pessimism covered, and the rest of us will handle the in between stuff. ROFL
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Post by richard on Jul 2, 2024 17:39:39 GMT -5
Jackie is far too used to be being the solo star with her own concerts and her own career. I don't really see her wanting to be reduced to opening for someone else with songs she seems to still lack confidence in singing live, even in front of her friendly fan base. To do what you suggest would require a total mindset change on her part, and a huge boost of confidence in her own material. Another problem with being an opening act is who would she open for? Not singers who perform in arenas, she's not a very big draw at this point in time. No the ones that perform at arenas usually don't need any additional draw. I wish some of them would make it a habit of getting a local act to open maybe someone in the State they are performing in. Sometimes on tour they will have several different groups or people opening for them.
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Post by BOGC on Jul 2, 2024 17:40:41 GMT -5
Just want to add my two cents to the question of whether or not Jackie was really sought out by Disney.
I don't get what people would find unusual about this happening. Just as some people still project Jackie's past success into the present, others are projecting current problems into the past. At the time, Disney was always looking out for young talent and signing them up to use in TV shows, films, and music. At the time (not any longer), Disney was all about projecting an image of wholesome family entertainment - even if that image was illusory. They normally took some kid, created a backstory and image, and made them a star. It doesn't matter if they can't act: it was all about whether they could take someone and create an image around them to sell to middle America.
The prototype was Hilary Duff as Lizzie McGuire. They made hundreds of millions off that girl (she made many millions herself) by creating an image they projected onto Hilary. Then you had Raven Symone (the black Hilary) both in her TV show and the Cheetah Girls franchise. Disney squashed any rumors Raven was gay until she left the Disney fold and immediately came out (everyone in the business knew she was gay since she hit puberty). They even made some down home trailer trash like Miley Cyrus look wholesome. They even kept a lid on Bella Thorne's antics for a few years.
Jackie would have been a piece of cake for the marketing team Disney had back then. She was already wholesome (unlike Miley), could sing without heavy auto-tuning (unlike Hilary), and certainly wasn't a total wild child (like Bella). They could have created their own image for her (it doesn't have to resemble reality) and had handlers who could teach her to sing, dance, be minimally proficient on an instrument, etc. Jackie has always done well with professional handlers and I see no reason to think it couldn't have happened there. But it would be a totally different Jackie then the one you know. It would be the Disney channel version of Jackie where Disney controlled every aspect of her image, her social media posts would have to be approved or they would handle it themselves, etc.
There are a lot of reasons this would not have met with approval by Lisa. First of all, it would mean moving the family to LA and ceding control of Jackie's career to Disney's handlers. It would also mean the finances would be under the stricter rules in place in California under the Coogan laws. Then there is the cost of living that could offset any gains in her income. Most of all, I just don't see Lisa sitting still while Disney people come in and take over Jackie's career.
PA had its own Coogan Law in 2012. I don't think escaping that was a concern. I do think that Disney being so controlling might have been. The various Sony labels were controlling enough to be a long-term problem, Disney would have been much worse.
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Post by colt46 on Jul 2, 2024 17:41:54 GMT -5
I think what Disappointed has is far more than just pessimism !
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Post by BOGC on Jul 2, 2024 17:45:48 GMT -5
Also agree completely. Pick one. I'd like to know whose idea this was, and what they hoped would come of it. Someone cooked up this concept of singing her life story, but why, especially at this point. Was it another effort to please everybody? Was it a condition of booking that she have a cabaret "show" to put on and this was all she could think of? If her objective is to create a blended fan base that will spring forth from fertile ground, I don't see that working out at all. Trading in one base for another all at once is rare, if ever successfully done. And darn near every singer or band pretty much has to do some fan or nostalgia service by singing a few of their oldies, if perhaps less of them. Today's teens and early 20's will have their own nostalgia material soon enough, if they don't already. New material is necessary, but it rarely flushes out older material. edit: there's an obvious example that did it, but IMO going Wrecking Ball pansexual freakazoid is not worth doing for any amount of money and fame. If that's who you really are, it's still wrong, but whatever. But if it's not, it would be destructive well this side of eternity. And that's also an example of someone that until breaking away from Disney, was far more trapped. How much of that unhealthy crazy is real and how much is backlash? "Dangerous Woman" on TMS is one thing, acting with something that's a bit part of everyone, but going over the edge is entirely another.
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Post by msims on Jul 2, 2024 18:04:14 GMT -5
Just as some people still project Jackie's past success into the present What does that mean? Texas, NJ, florida, Palm Springs. Those shows will always do well. The dinner theater shows did as well as they could given these were not the right places for her. No offense but the 54 shows seem like a flamboyant musical theater type venue. Ive suggested Vegas with Jorn. If she wants to change genres Its called a crossover. -- The claim that she somehow didn't get an offer after TCYK, she filmed that in Oct 2011 (she had to fly to japan in between filming if im not mistaken) and it came out in April 2013 by then she already had numerous concert dates booked going into 2014. She was busy. If she wanted to take up acting, it would mean staying in LA in a hotel while auditioning for movies (with no guarantee that she would get anything out of it). It would also mean the cancellation or postponement of 20 or so concerts, depending on how long she would have stayed in LA. She wanted to do music. Plus she said unless im mistaken in the pbs interview last year, that she did film a movie but it had budget issues and she has had an acting coach. Also discussions about disney were had at the time that amazon WAS a fan forum and many fans did not like disney as alot of her fans were older and conservative.
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Post by eulenspiegel on Jul 2, 2024 18:06:37 GMT -5
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Post by richard on Jul 2, 2024 18:08:48 GMT -5
Also agree completely. Pick one. I'd like to know whose idea this was, and what they hoped would come of it. Someone cooked up this concept of singing her life story, but why, especially at this point. Was it another effort to please everybody? Was it a condition of booking that she have a cabaret "show" to put on and this was all she could think of? If her objective is to create a blended fan base that will spring forth from fertile ground, I don't see that working out at all. Trading in one base for another all at once is rare, if ever successfully done. And darn near every singer or band pretty much has to do some fan or nostalgia service by singing a few of their oldies, if perhaps less of them. Today's teens and early 20's will have their own nostalgia material soon enough, if they don't already. New material is necessary, but it rarely flushes out older material. Jackie is a rare exception. Others like Grace Vanderwaal and Justin Bieber had a fan base that grew up with them.
Jackie started out of the box with a base several times her age. I remember several of Jackie fan laughing at other artist like Justin Bieber saying where will they be in a few years when they outgrow their fan base. But their fan base grew up with them and more fans were added as they went along.
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Post by 1 Guest on Jul 2, 2024 18:14:48 GMT -5
Trading in one base for another all at once is rare, if ever successfully done. And darn near every singer or band pretty much has to do some fan or nostalgia service by singing a few of their oldies, if perhaps less of them. Today's teens and early 20's will have their own nostalgia material soon enough, if they don't already. New material is necessary, but it rarely flushes out older material. Jackie is a rare exception. Others like Grace Vanderwaal and Justin Bieber had a fan base that grew up with them.
Jackie started out of the box with a base several times her age. I remember several of Jackie fan laughing at other artist like Justin Bieber saying where will they be in a few years when they outgrow their fan base. But their fan base grew up with them and more fans were added as they went along.
Jackie's base couldn't grow with her because they were already old. That's not Jackie's fault, it's because of the music she sang, and for the most part, still sings. I agree that she didn't have the best representation, but I don't think different management would have made a difference, she was a soprano and sang elevator music and she wasn't going to gain a young fan base singing that. So here we are.
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Post by msims on Jul 2, 2024 18:16:13 GMT -5
Both people you mentioned haven't done anything music wise in years (and Bieb had to cancel his tour) and you said your favorite doesn't do backing tracks. The german posted a clip of Coldplay other day performing at Glastonbury: Coldplay is a hugely successful band and on that very clip is a backing track. btw Soc said earlier a cover album wont do well, thats not reality. Jackie should record a Christmas album for the holidays and sing covers including Karen Carpenter, then book a number of dates. Then after that, work on more original material with Greg.
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Post by 1 Guest on Jul 2, 2024 18:22:01 GMT -5
Another problem with being an opening act is who would she open for? Not singers who perform in arenas, she's not a very big draw at this point in time. Jackie could draw audiences no problem either as an opener or headliner or co-headliner and shes done that for years. Talent will always attract people and that includes industry people. I also said just her and Jorn would do just fine in Vegas. There is no room for pessimism in an artists discussion btw. If it was that easy, she'd be doing some gigs in Vegas, but she's not. And at least so far, she doesn't have much scheduled anywhere. Oh, wait, I forgot, she's writing and recording.
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Post by msims on Jul 2, 2024 18:33:53 GMT -5
Jackie could draw audiences no problem either as an opener or headliner or co-headliner and shes done that for years. Talent will always attract people and that includes industry people. I also said just her and Jorn would do just fine in Vegas.; There is no room for pessimism in an artists discussion btw. If it was that easy, she'd be doing some gigs in Vegas, but she's not. And at least so far, she doesn't have much scheduled anywhere. Oh, wait, I forgot, she's writing and recording. I said she could do shows like in Vegas, thats something that should be pitched around and I bet they would do just fine and theres the AGT connection too. Remember the Jackie doll? She did have young fans and they were seen at her concerts.
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 2, 2024 18:34:13 GMT -5
Jackie could draw audiences no problem either as an opener or headliner or co-headliner and shes done that for years. True indeed, Jackie had no problem at 54 Below drawing 48 on Fri and 70 on Sat. Talent will always attract people and that includes industry people. I also said just her and Jorn would do just fine in Vegas. I'm sure Jackie could attract 70 in Vegas as well.
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