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Post by amg1977 on Jul 3, 2024 14:24:54 GMT -5
Just as some people still project Jackie's past success into the present What does that mean? Texas, NJ, florida, Palm Springs. Those shows will always do well. The dinner theater shows did as well as they could given these were not the right places for her. No offense but the 54 shows seem like a flamboyant musical theater type venue. Ive suggested Vegas with Jorn. If she wants to change genres Its called a crossover. -- The claim that she somehow didn't get an offer after TCYK, she filmed that in Oct 2011 (she had to fly to japan in between filming if im not mistaken) and it came out in April 2013 by then she already had numerous concert dates booked going into 2014. She was busy. If she wanted to take up acting, it would mean staying in LA in a hotel while auditioning for movies (with no guarantee that she would get anything out of it). It would also mean the cancellation or postponement of 20 or so concerts, depending on how long she would have stayed in LA. She wanted to do music. Plus she said unless im mistaken in the pbs interview last year, that she did film a movie but it had budget issues and she has had an acting coach. Also discussions about disney were had at the time that amazon WAS a fan forum and many fans did not like disney as alot of her fans were older and conservative.
What does that mean?
I think it's pretty obvious. Jackie is not as successful as she was in the past and some people think her current popularity is comparable to her past stardom. This is clearly delusional. The point being made is that because her current situation is not as lucrative as in the past, others are projecting her current status back to 2011 when she was a legitimate top 10 artists with gold and platinum albums. Saying Disney wasn't interested back then is tantamount to denying her past successes. Both positions are anachronistic - just in opposite directions.
Texas, NJ, florida, Palm Springs. Those shows will always do well. The dinner theater shows did as well as they could given these were not the right places for her. No offense but the 54 shows seem like a flamboyant musical theater type venue. Ive suggested Vegas with Jorn.
She still draws a decent audience in areas where there is a senior population that can get to the venue. The problem with this model should be obvious: the audience is cycling out due to age restrictions and death. I did not get the choice of venues on her COT concerts that seemed to be heavily favored toward major metropolitan cities in the Notheast corridor (e.g, NY, Phila, Wash). Ocean City made sense since it is a dry town that draws senior vacationers who like taking in some entertainment in the evening. I know the location of the Winery in Philly and the normal clientele would be 25-40 year old professionals living in center city Philadelphia where the political demographic is decidedly blue and there is a disproportionately large population of LGBT. Not exactly playing to her strengths.
Its called a crossover.
Before we talk about crossover, we need to talk about popular music vs. pop music. The former is used to categorize all forms of music that is not classical. Pop music is a genre within popular music that has certain attributes. Other genres would be rock, r&b, hip-hop, jazz, folk, country, etc. With that straight, let's get to the term "crossover" Ub the general sense, a crossover is when a song by an artist in one genre of popular music also appeals to audiences in another genre of popular music. That song may then be said to "crossover" to the other genre. If this trend continues with more than one release, you can claim "crossover" for the artist. An example of this would be Taylor Swift whose country songs also had pop appeal and she was seen as a country artist.
This sort of "crossover" is different from "classical crossover." The latter is defined by Classical Crossover Magazine as: The big difference here is that the crossover within popular music is based upon appeal while the crossover between classical and popular music is based upon substance. The reasons should be obvious as the genres of popular music share some defining attributes and one can, for example, lean "pop" while still remaining "country."
This is different than the change Taylor Swift made over the span of the albums Red and 1989. The former still had some pop/country sounds but many of the songs like "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" are purely pop. By the time she got to 1989, the transformation was complete and the songs (e.g., "Blank Space") were pop and nothing but pop. That was not a crossover - it was a genre change. Now, Taylor can still make an occasional country-pop song but now she is a pop artist who may crossover into country - not the other way around.
So where is Jackie? Listen to Solla, COT, and even The Debut. Does any of that meet the criteria of classical crossover given above? Jackie ceased being a CC recording artist years ago. Since then it has been a traditional pop/show tunes album, then a folk/pop tribute album, and now an alt/pop album.
As for Disney, as I stated, I think it quite believable they contacted her. But it may be they wanted her for a long term deal rather than just one film or spot. Disney tended to cast a wide net and put people through their process to get them to make money for the mouse.
Disney had a lot of stuff going on in the early 2010s and I am sure they would have found a use for Jackie. I have speculated on multiple occasions here a "what if" Jackie had been given the opportunity to audition in the original attempt to make Stargirl in 2015. The character was a freshman in high school and Jackie would have been 15 at the time. The actor needed to sing, act quirky, and learn to play ukulele - Jackie could definitely do the first and third. Billy King won the audition but backed out because she unexpectedly became a star without Disney and wanted more money. Disney had no one else and delayed it for a few years. By then Grace had been on AGT, and had a major growth spurt that let her play a high school freshman (she was 14). So could Jackie have played Stargirl? Even if she lost to Billy King, could Disney have used her as a replacement? It would all come down to her acting. Grace playing an outgoing quirky ukulele playing girl who sings is not exactly a stretch ... could Jackie do that? Ukulele playing and singing - no sweat ... but quirky and outgoing ... ... not so sure. I think it would be a mistake to assume because of her emotional issues now that she would have had problems then, but I am not close enough to the situation to speak with any real authority on that issue.
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Post by Disappointed on Jul 3, 2024 15:26:54 GMT -5
As for Disney, as I stated, I think it quite believable they contacted her. But it may be they wanted her for a long term deal rather than just one film or spot. I don't know if you were around the fan boards and chat rooms back then, but if that were the case, there would have been no end to the bragging. Lisa would have trumpeted about that offer and the OTTs would have crapped themselves so many times, there would have been a shortage of adult depends. She was a temporary circus act, a kid who parroted opera songs, who appealed mainly to old coots. Disney looks for young girls with bubbly personalities who appeal to their young audience. You can dream all you want about Disney having any big interest in her. It didn't happen, other than as mentioned prior, that small seconds-long bit on Wizards of Waverley Place.
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Post by BOGC on Jul 3, 2024 15:31:56 GMT -5
Ocean City made sense since it is a dry town that draws senior vacationers who like taking in some entertainment in the evening. ... Grace playing an outgoing quirky ukulele playing girl who sings is not exactly a stretch ... could Jackie do that? Ukulele playing and singing - no sweat ... but quirky and outgoing ... ... not so sure. I think it would be a mistake to assume because of her emotional issues now that she would have had problems then, but I am not close enough to the situation to speak with any real authority on that issue.
OC NJ is dry to be a family place and not a spring break dive. There are families as well as seniors there. Granted the families are usually winding down for the day (or getting in one last go at the rides or eating or something) around the time of shows, and Jackie's audience there is mostly (although by no means entirely) 55+. Jackie was quietly quirky enough, I think; or the rest of them were enough that she had to be to keep up. Fried crickets, face full of BBQ chicken sauce, etc. The acting is not insurmountable. But most of Jackie's quirky and outgoing was relatively private, within a small (not entirely family) circle. Whether she would have suited is anyone's guess. But given the very mixed outcomes for former Disney kids, maybe it's not so bad having missed that after all.
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 3, 2024 15:54:31 GMT -5
Ive also stated that Celtic Woman has fewer social media followers and is able to book tours. You are mistaken. All figures are in thousands unless otherwise indicated. Source of statistics: songstats.com/artist/lfmq6ioz/jackie-evanchosongstats.com/artist/judt0v5x/celtic-woman
| Jackie | Celtic Woman | Spotify Followers | 104 | 527 | Spotify Monthly Listeners | 157
| 842 | Spotify Popularity | 37% | 53%
| Amazon Music Followers | 4 | 46 | Deezer Followers | 21 | 42 | Deezer Popularity | 30% | 47% | Instagram Followers | 102 | 91 | Instagram Views | 289 | 5240 | Instagram Likes | 14 | 307 | TikTok Views | 5.55M | 32.8M | TikTok Video Likes | 230 | 2960
| Youtube Subscribers | 476 | 413 | Youtube Channel Views | 110M | 432M | Youtube Video Likes | 407 | 2580 | Shazam Tags | 204 | 1060 | SoundCloud Streams | 69 | 217 | SoundCloud Followers | 2 | 7 | Facebook Followers | 809 | 907 |
What is particularly interesting is that the number of followers is similar for Instagram and Youtube. But Celtic Woman has far more Instagram and Youtube views and likes. This suggest something I have long suspected: that many of Jackie's followers are deceased or inactive but did not bother to unfollow her.
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Post by Guest 4 on Jul 3, 2024 16:56:20 GMT -5
Ive also stated that Celtic Woman has fewer social media followers and is able to book tours. You are mistaken. All figures are in thousands unless otherwise indicated. Source of statistics: songstats.com/artist/lfmq6ioz/jackie-evanchosongstats.com/artist/judt0v5x/celtic-woman
| Jackie | Celtic Woman | Spotify Followers | 104 | 527 | Spotify Monthly Listeners | 157
| 842 | Spotify Popularity | 37% | 53%
| Amazon Music Followers | 4 | 46 | Deezer Followers | 21 | 42 | Deezer Popularity | 30% | 47% | Instagram Followers | 102 | 91 | Instagram Views | 289 | 5240 | Instagram Likes | 14 | 307 | TikTok Views | 5.55M | 32.8M | TikTok Video Likes | 230 | 2960
| Youtube Subscribers | 476 | 413 | Youtube Channel Views | 110M | 432M | Youtube Video Likes | 407 | 2580 | Shazam Tags | 204 | 1060 | SoundCloud Streams | 69 | 217 | SoundCloud Followers | 2 | 7 | Facebook Followers | 809 | 907 |
What is particularly interesting is that the number of followers is similar for Instagram and Youtube. But Celtic Woman has far more Instagram and Youtube views and likes. This suggest something I have long suspected: that many of Jackie's followers are deceased or inactive but did not bother to unfollow her. Thank you SoCal. I'm not stat-savvy enough to do this, but if the number and type of posts were known for selected social media platforms, the rate of engagement could be calculated. This wouldn't answer the question of who is dead vs. who is inactive, but it would drill down a bit more on how their social media is performing, or basically how many of their respective followers are actually interested.
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 3, 2024 17:23:06 GMT -5
But given the very mixed outcomes for former Disney kids, maybe it's not so bad having missed that after all. Are you really saying that you think Jackie's mental health is better than the typical Disney kid?
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Post by richard on Jul 3, 2024 18:52:01 GMT -5
But given the very mixed outcomes for former Disney kids, maybe it's not so bad having missed that after all. Are you really saying that you think Jackie's mental health is better than the typical Disney kid? It a bunch of BS to say Jackie is probably better off than the Disney kids. None of them have Jackie's problems.
I followed Maddie and Kenzie Ziegler for a long time and they have many Disney friends and they all seem a hell of a lot more normal than any in that Evancho family. I have mentioned Olivia Rodrigo and Jenna Ortega several time and they don't seem to have any of Jackie's mental or physical problems. Here is one of the Disney kids Maddie hung out with for awhile who is less than a year older than Jackie and moved from PA to California and became a Disney kid. She now is a singer, who doesn't suffer from being a child actor or singer.
13 years ago Remember she is just 11 months older than Jackie.
2 months ago her new music video 81 million views.
Spotify monthly listeners 84,720,664
Instagram followers 36.8 million
2024 tour date: looks like an arena tour to compete with Olivia Rodrigo seems the two don't like each other. But they both got a major song out because of their dislikes for each other. Poor Maddie in the middle because they are both her friends.
Carpenter has announced the following dates for her Short n' Sweet tour:
Aug. 10 | San Francisco | Outside Lands Festival Sept. 23 | Columbus, Ohio | Nationwide Arena Sept. 25 | Toronto | Scotiabank Arena Sept. 26 | Detroit | Little Caesars Arena Sept. 29 | New York | Madison Square Garden Sept. 30 | New York | Barclays Center Oct. 2 | Hartford, Connecticut | XL Center Oct. 3 | Boston | TD Garden Oct. 5 | Baltimore | CFG Bank Arena Oct. 8 | Philadelphia | Wells Fargo Center Oct. 11 | Montreal | Centre Ball Oct. 13 | Chicago | United Center Oct. 14 | Minneapolis | Target Center Oc. 16 | Nashville, Tennessee | Bridgestone Arena Oct. 17 | St. Louis, Missouri | Chaifetz Arena Oct. 19 | Raleigh, North Carolina | PNC Arena Oct. 20 | Charlottesville, North Carolina | John Paul Jones Arena Oct. 22 | Atlanta | State Farm Arena Oct. 24 | Orlando, Florida | Kia Center Oct. 25 | Tampa, Florida | Amalie Arena Oct. 27 | Houston | Toyota Center Oct. 28 | Austin | Moody Center Oct. 30 | Dallas | American Airlines Center Nov. 1 | Denver | Ball Arena Nov. 2 | Salt Lake City | Delta Center Nov. 4 | Vancouver | Pacific Coliseum Nov. 6 | Seattle | Climate Pledge Arena Nov. 7 | Portland | Moda Center Nov. 9 | San Francisco | Chase Center Nov. 10 | San Diego | Pechanga Arena Nov. 13 | Phoenix | Footprint Center Nov. 15 | Los Angeles | Crypto.com Arena Nov. 17 | Inglewood, California | Kia Forum Nov. 18 | Inglewood, California | Kia Forum
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Post by donkey on Jul 3, 2024 19:16:27 GMT -5
Are you really saying that you think Jackie's mental health is better than the typical Disney kid? It a bunch of BS to say Jackie is probably better off than the Disney kids. None of them have Jackie's problems.
I followed Maddie and Kenzie Ziegler for a long time and they have many Disney friends and they all seem a hell of a lot more normal than any in that Evancho family. I have mentioned Olivia Rodrigo and Jenna Ortega several time and they don't seem to have any of Jackie's mental or physical problems. Here is one of the Disney kids Maddie hung out with for awhile who is less than a year older than Jackie and moved from PA to California and became a Disney kid. She now is a singer, who doesn't suffer from being a child actor or singer.
13 years ago Remember she is just 11 months older than Jackie.
2 months ago her new music video 81 million views.
Spotify monthly listeners 84,720,664
Instagram followers 36.8 million
2024 tour date: looks like an arena tour to compete with Olivia Rodrigo seems the two don't like each other. But they both got a major song out because of their dislikes for each other. Poor Maddie in the middle because they are both her friends.
Carpenter has announced the following dates for her Short n' Sweet tour:
Aug. 10 | San Francisco | Outside Lands Festival Sept. 23 | Columbus, Ohio | Nationwide Arena Sept. 25 | Toronto | Scotiabank Arena Sept. 26 | Detroit | Little Caesars Arena Sept. 29 | New York | Madison Square Garden Sept. 30 | New York | Barclays Center Oct. 2 | Hartford, Connecticut | XL Center Oct. 3 | Boston | TD Garden Oct. 5 | Baltimore | CFG Bank Arena Oct. 8 | Philadelphia | Wells Fargo Center Oct. 11 | Montreal | Centre Ball Oct. 13 | Chicago | United Center Oct. 14 | Minneapolis | Target Center Oc. 16 | Nashville, Tennessee | Bridgestone Arena Oct. 17 | St. Louis, Missouri | Chaifetz Arena Oct. 19 | Raleigh, North Carolina | PNC Arena Oct. 20 | Charlottesville, North Carolina | John Paul Jones Arena Oct. 22 | Atlanta | State Farm Arena Oct. 24 | Orlando, Florida | Kia Center Oct. 25 | Tampa, Florida | Amalie Arena Oct. 27 | Houston | Toyota Center Oct. 28 | Austin | Moody Center Oct. 30 | Dallas | American Airlines Center Nov. 1 | Denver | Ball Arena Nov. 2 | Salt Lake City | Delta Center Nov. 4 | Vancouver | Pacific Coliseum Nov. 6 | Seattle | Climate Pledge Arena Nov. 7 | Portland | Moda Center Nov. 9 | San Francisco | Chase Center Nov. 10 | San Diego | Pechanga Arena Nov. 13 | Phoenix | Footprint Center Nov. 15 | Los Angeles | Crypto.com Arena Nov. 17 | Inglewood, California | Kia Forum Nov. 18 | Inglewood, California | Kia Forum
Are you sure these aren't Jackie's concert dates?
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Post by richard on Jul 3, 2024 19:18:30 GMT -5
If Disney wanted to work with Jackie and Jackie's team turned it down it was probably one of the most stupid things her team ever did and they did a lot of stupid things and I sure wouldn't tell anyone about it. Like winning the lottery and saying you just didn't want to drive to the store and pick your money up. You could probably fill this page with all the young people that Disney helped become actors and singers. If Disney was such asses toward their people they wouldn't have let Olivia out of her contract and they probably could have taken her "drivers license" song from her as she wrote it while working for them, and she ran to her directors asking what they think about it. They convinced her that not only was it good but she needs a label that will protector her writing rights, so now Olivia own all the masters for her songs. A trap Taylor Swift fell into when she was young and gave up the rights to her masters now she is trying to get the rights back to all her old songs. You could name any organization that works with young people and find several that have problems.
Just curious but I haven't heard anything from Grace Vanderwaal about working with Disney she must not have had to much of a problem as she did a sequel.
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Post by Disappointed on Jul 3, 2024 19:24:24 GMT -5
Are you sure these aren't Jackie's concert dates? Looks like Donkey's been hitting the bottle all afternoon!
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Post by 1 Guest on Jul 3, 2024 19:28:33 GMT -5
Are you really saying that you think Jackie's mental health is better than the typical Disney kid? It a bunch of BS to say Jackie is probably better off than the Disney kids. None of them have Jackie's problems.
I followed Maddie and Kenzie Ziegler for a long time and they have many Disney friends and they all seem a hell of a lot more normal than any in that Evancho family. I have mentioned Olivia Rodrigo and Jenna Ortega several time and they don't seem to have any of Jackie's mental or physical problems. Here is one of the Disney kids Maddie hung out with for awhile who is less than a year older than Jackie and moved from PA to California and became a Disney kid. She now is a singer, who doesn't suffer from being a child actor or singer.
13 years ago Remember she is just 11 months older than Jackie.
2 months ago her new music video 81 million views.
Spotify monthly listeners 84,720,664
Instagram followers 36.8 million
2024 tour date: looks like an arena tour to compete with Olivia Rodrigo seems the two don't like each other. But they both got a major song out because of their dislikes for each other. Poor Maddie in the middle because they are both her friends.
Carpenter has announced the following dates for her Short n' Sweet tour:
Aug. 10 | San Francisco | Outside Lands Festival Sept. 23 | Columbus, Ohio | Nationwide Arena Sept. 25 | Toronto | Scotiabank Arena Sept. 26 | Detroit | Little Caesars Arena Sept. 29 | New York | Madison Square Garden Sept. 30 | New York | Barclays Center Oct. 2 | Hartford, Connecticut | XL Center Oct. 3 | Boston | TD Garden Oct. 5 | Baltimore | CFG Bank Arena Oct. 8 | Philadelphia | Wells Fargo Center Oct. 11 | Montreal | Centre Ball Oct. 13 | Chicago | United Center Oct. 14 | Minneapolis | Target Center Oc. 16 | Nashville, Tennessee | Bridgestone Arena Oct. 17 | St. Louis, Missouri | Chaifetz Arena Oct. 19 | Raleigh, North Carolina | PNC Arena Oct. 20 | Charlottesville, North Carolina | John Paul Jones Arena Oct. 22 | Atlanta | State Farm Arena Oct. 24 | Orlando, Florida | Kia Center Oct. 25 | Tampa, Florida | Amalie Arena Oct. 27 | Houston | Toyota Center Oct. 28 | Austin | Moody Center Oct. 30 | Dallas | American Airlines Center Nov. 1 | Denver | Ball Arena Nov. 2 | Salt Lake City | Delta Center Nov. 4 | Vancouver | Pacific Coliseum Nov. 6 | Seattle | Climate Pledge Arena Nov. 7 | Portland | Moda Center Nov. 9 | San Francisco | Chase Center Nov. 10 | San Diego | Pechanga Arena Nov. 13 | Phoenix | Footprint Center Nov. 15 | Los Angeles | Crypto.com Arena Nov. 17 | Inglewood, California | Kia Forum Nov. 18 | Inglewood, California | Kia Forum
Oh yes, when some of the OTT's realized that the Ziegler girls were home schooled they said they'd end up addicted to drugs and booze, but Jackie would remain in school with all of her friends, then go to college, etc., because she had such a wonderful family and a normal childhood. As far as I know, neither of them have issues, they both seem like happy, healthy young women who are enjoying life, and if they do have some issues they don't harp on it.
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Post by donkey on Jul 3, 2024 19:35:37 GMT -5
Well, someone finally posted a clip of Jackie singing Ave Maria the other night, although the video quality is lacking. lol
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Post by johnnyb on Jul 3, 2024 20:00:38 GMT -5
Well, someone finally posted a clip of Jackie singing Ave Maria the other night, although the video quality is lacking. lol The video and especially the audio are horrendous, doesn’t do Jackie justice.
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Post by donkey on Jul 3, 2024 20:58:27 GMT -5
Well, someone finally posted a clip of Jackie singing Ave Maria the other night, although the video quality is lacking. lol The video and especially the audio are horrendous, doesn’t do Jackie justice. I liked the one guy with the premature clap...made Jackie smile. lol
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Post by msims on Jul 3, 2024 21:51:07 GMT -5
Shes already sold 240 tickets for the November New York show and its just your standard theater.
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