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Post by donkey on Jul 3, 2024 22:12:28 GMT -5
Very cool little musical interlude, a piece written and played by Jackie's pianist Jorn Swart at 54 Below the other night.
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Post by msims on Jul 4, 2024 1:16:43 GMT -5
Jackie is not as successful as she was in the past and some people think her current popularity is comparable to her past stardom. This is clearly delusional. The point being made is that because her current situation is not as lucrative as in the past, others are projecting her current status back to 2011 when she was a legitimate top 10 artists with gold and platinum albums. You brought up at some point recently: Toto's Africa that came out in the early 80's and just recently the music video passed 1 billion views. Btw fun fact: Steve Luthaker played on Michael Jackson's Thriller album, arguably the best selling album of all time at least last I checked but nerd stuff aside. As far as I know Hold the Line came out pre-Africa, that was a hit. But Africa is a bit of a monster and yet this band may not have had a hit for decades but yet they still play and perform although the only writers dont have to tour, your Greg Camp argument certainly applies to the writers of Africa. So obviously Jackie did not have an Africa, a huge hit but in the CC frame album hits and an EP. Thats enough to build a career on. However when you said, "Jackie is not as successful as she was in the past" you did what you claimed is delusional by comparing her past to her present. Its probably AGT and the fame that came from that that is probably why she is still performing. So where is Jackie? Listen to Solla, COT, and even The Debut. Does any of that meet the criteria of classical crossover given above? Jackie ceased being a CC recording artist years ago. Since then it has been a traditional pop/show tunes album, then a folk/pop tribute album, and now an alt/pop album. The CC definition used back in the day came out of the dinosaur years I think. CC has been so expanded and yet most of what I hear from Jackie sounds like textbook CC, Solla has not been called CC by Jackie. But when I consider the more modern sounding CC artists, by that I mean the ones who just do what they want I consider Lindsey Stirling and Josh Groban definitions of those who don't do the classical thing. The further you move from classical, to me is the more CC thing then the ones who stay in that world. I think Jackie has a fear that the more she moves away the more fans she loses and it might hurt her financially but no artist should feel constrained, its clearly been burning inside her.
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Post by BOGC on Jul 4, 2024 6:27:14 GMT -5
But given the very mixed outcomes for former Disney kids, maybe it's not so bad having missed that after all. Are you really saying that you think Jackie's mental health is better than the typical Disney kid? Depends on your sampling of typical, I suppose. And whether you consider behavior like Miley Cyrus to be a mental health issue.
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Post by colt46 on Jul 4, 2024 6:46:33 GMT -5
Happy 4th of July to all!
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Post by donkey on Jul 4, 2024 8:44:30 GMT -5
Are you really saying that you think Jackie's mental health is better than the typical Disney kid? Depends on your sampling of typical, I suppose. And whether you consider behavior like Miley Cyrus to be a mental health issue.
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Post by donkey on Jul 4, 2024 8:49:12 GMT -5
Happy 4th of July to all!
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 4, 2024 8:57:54 GMT -5
And whether you consider behavior like Miley Cyrus to be a mental health issue. We all have our crosses to bear. Jackie struggles with anorexia, anxiety and depression. And Miley struggles with twerking.
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 4, 2024 9:13:39 GMT -5
Its probably AGT and the fame that came from that that is probably why she is still performing. We don't agree on much but I fully agree with you on that. Very few people listen to Jackie for her new pop songs.
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Post by donkey on Jul 4, 2024 9:55:08 GMT -5
Its probably AGT and the fame that came from that that is probably why she is still performing. We don't agree on much but I fully agree with you on that. Very few people listen to Jackie for her new pop songs. LoL...I think that everyone in this forum agrees that Jackie's AGT and early career material are what draws the fans she has left. That's why those who suggest she abandon it entirely are living in a bizarre alternate reality. You don't give up the only fame you have left for the new fame you don't have yet and probably never will have.
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Post by richard on Jul 4, 2024 10:09:11 GMT -5
Happy 4th of July to all! Fireworks are outdated now
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Post by donkey on Jul 4, 2024 10:35:39 GMT -5
Fireworks are outdated now
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Post by Go to your room on Jul 4, 2024 11:02:13 GMT -5
Imagine at twenty-four years old being told that one thing is all you’re good for.
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Post by richard on Jul 4, 2024 11:08:58 GMT -5
Imagine at twenty-four years old being told that one thing is all you’re good for. Especially by parents that you had to support most of your life.
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Post by donkey on Jul 4, 2024 11:14:04 GMT -5
Imagine at twenty-four years old being told that one thing is all you’re good for. Especially by parents that you had to support most of your life. It's very sad. Fortunately, with lots of therapy, Jackie has come to realize this isn't true...or at least she's working on that.
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Post by The Jackinator on Jul 4, 2024 11:48:52 GMT -5
We don't agree on much but I fully agree with you on that. Very few people listen to Jackie for her new pop songs. LoL...I think that everyone in this forum agrees that Jackie's AGT and early career material are what draws the fans she has left. That's why those who suggest she abandon it entirely are living in a bizarre alternate reality. You don't give up the only fame you have left for the new fame you don't have yet and probably never will have. Yeah, she shouldn't give up the massive audiences she's been able to attract to her extensive concert tours over the last 5-8 years. She needs to stay with what got her here.
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