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Post by colt46 on Jul 24, 2024 8:42:38 GMT -5
I strongly disagree, Jackie would have had to move to Europe back in 2011 and stayed there it can’t be just going over a few times a year, she had to build off her BGT APPEARANCE BACK IN 2011!
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Post by richard on Jul 24, 2024 13:54:37 GMT -5
I strongly disagree, Jackie would have had to move to Europe back in 2011 and stayed there it can’t be just going over a few times a year, she had to build off her BGT APPEARANCE BACK IN 2011! That would have been impossible for Jackie, unless her family moved with her. Jackie is not independent like the Z-Girls that moved 2K miles from home at 12 and 14 years of age without their parents, and unlike the Z-Girls, Jackie would not be able to make friends, she would be alone by herself staring at the walls from gig to gig. It would be the reverse of Millie Bobby Brown when she moved from England to LA. Millie was lucky because she met Maddie who introduced her to many others in the area.
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Post by BOGC on Jul 24, 2024 15:10:05 GMT -5
I strongly disagree, Jackie would have had to move to Europe back in 2011 and stayed there it can’t be just going over a few times a year, she had to build off her BGT APPEARANCE BACK IN 2011! That would have been impossible for Jackie, unless her family moved with her. Jackie is not independent like the Z-Girls that moved 2K miles from home at 12 and 14 years of age without their parents, and unlike the Z-Girls, Jackie would not be able to make friends, she would be alone by herself staring at the walls from gig to gig. It would be the reverse of Millie Bobby Brown when she moved from England to LA. Millie was lucky because she met Maddie who introduced her to many others in the area. NOBODY under 18 (17 if joining military with parents consent) should live for an extended period of time (not talking about summer camp or vacation with a relative) anywhere other than under their parent's roof, unless they've been removed from their parents custody by court order. Some people can do/have done it and not implode(d). But it is NOT a sign of professionalism or maturity to attempt it. And a parent should only allow it if they are very convinced their minor dependent can handle it, and the that person serving as custodian is responsible. I say that as someone that joined the AF at 17.
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Post by JME Obit Page on Jul 24, 2024 15:25:49 GMT -5
John Mayall, dead at 90
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 24, 2024 16:59:35 GMT -5
I say that as someone that joined the AF at 17. I think it is very strange that in many states, you cannot legally consent to have sex until you are 18 but you can (with parental approval) enlist in the military and get killed.
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Post by donkey on Jul 24, 2024 17:38:56 GMT -5
I say that as someone that joined the AF at 17. I think it is very strange that in many states, you cannot legally consent to have sex until you are 18 but you can (with parental approval) enlist in the military and get killed. I think they are actually pretty similar in that some states allow you to enlist at 17, and some states have age of consent laws with allow sex with someone who is 16 or 17.
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Post by amg1977 on Jul 24, 2024 17:50:28 GMT -5
Spotify Monthly Listeners Artist Rank Global Jackie Evancho 156,000 #53K+ Non heavy hitters
Kenzie Ziegler 2,020,000 #6k+ Connie Talbot 455,000 #23k+ Johnny Orlando 1,380,000 #9K+ Dylan Conrique 1,230,000 #10k+ Lexi Jayde 944,000 #13k+ Grace Vanderwaal 1,100,000 #11K+ Maisy Stella 162,000 #52K+ Lennon Stella 3,650,000 #4k+ Addison Rae 1,200,000 #10K+ Madison Beer 15,200,000 # 1k+ Eddie Benjamin 191,000 #46K+ Sofie Dossi 140,000 #57k+
Emily Bear 209,000 #43k+
Heavier hitters
Tate MCRae 39,000,000 #83 Olivia Rodrigo 49,600,000 #53 Sia 55,400,000 #37 Sabrina Carpenter 84,400,000 #8
Justin Bieber 74,600,000 #13
Seems to find artist that have fewer streams than Jackie you have to look for artist that you didn't even know were singers also like Sofie Dossi.
I think this is interesting in that it illustrates both the strength of a stat and weakness of using one stat outside of overall context. Let's consider three statistics: lifetime streams (the number of streams in your career), followers, and monthly listeners. I will try to make a comparison to driving:
lifetime streams <=> odometer reading followers <=> average velocity monthly listeners <=> instantaneous velocity
The lifetime streams tells you what your streaming did over the entire span of your career. Obviously, if you have a longer career, you will have more streams (provided your career began in the streaming era). The number of followers tells you how your career is moving over an extended period. If it keeps increasing in volume, your career is progressing. The monthly listeners tells you what you are doing at this very moment. It is sensitive to the present but this can be misleading since a new release or a song going viral on TikTok can inflate your stats. Below are some notes I made looking at the stats.
Let's look at Sabrina Carpenter and Olivia Rodrigo. Sabrina broke into mainstream stardom this year by capitalizing on her role as the opening act of Taylor Swift's Eras tour. Sabrina has considerably more monthly listeners than Olivia at the moment but it would be ridiculous to compare their level of stardom. Sabrina's totals are inflated by the fact that she has a new album and a couple big hit singles in the last few months. This also means she is all over the biggest playlists. Olivia hasn't released something new since last year so her totals are now down from where they were back then. But Olivia has about 38 million followers to Sabrina's 11 and clearly has a bigger fanbase. That doesn't mean Sabrina couldn't pass her in the future but not right now. Bigger than both of them is Billie Eilish with nearly 97 million of both monthly listeners and subscribers and Taylor Swift with 97 million monthly listeners and 115 million followers.
You also get social influencers who try to stretch into music. You might remember that Dixie D'amelio (Charli's sister) made major strides with her first single by getting as high as 4.2 million monthly listeners. Well, here we are a few years later and she's down to 285k. This happens a lot: influencers get their fans to stream their first single and keep the sales pitch going with each new single. Nothing wrong with that as every singer does it. But a lot of influencers have minimal talent and their music is just meh at best. The motivation is commercial - not artistic. What ends up happening is that fans slowly stop listening over a series of releases and the novelty wears off and those that remain stop listening to the old single when the new once comes out. In other words, their songs have a very short shelf life and do not stand up to repeated listening. I think Addison Rae is going in the same direction as Dixie.
Some might argue the same for Kenzie Ziegler but I think she has some actual talent as a performer. Some of her singles were pretty good (particularly those written for her by Sia), her voice is adequate, and she can certainly dance in a performance. A few years back I thought as she got older she might work her way into the role of "dance pop sex kitten" a la Britney Spears and Arianna Grande. Since then, Tate McRae has pretty much got a stranglehold as Arianna's heir apparent. Kenzie has hit a plateau: Her monthly listeners have increased but her followers totals are stagnant. This indicates to me she has a core of fans who love her and listen to her music but a lot of the total is generated by playlists. This is helped by the fact that Kenzie has been smart enough and worked hard enough to make sure she had a new song out every few months.
Dylan Conrique is an anomaly. She has a million monthly listeners but most of that is off one song. "Birthday Cake" has been streamed 175 million times and counting but the next highest of her songs is 11 million and nothing else is above 5 million. If people stop streaming that one song, her monthly listener totals would implode.
I had my eye on Lexi Jayde as she seemed poised for a major breakout three year ago. She had released a series of solid singles followed by a very good EP in the "teen pop" category. The themes were of little interest to me but the songs were just filled with hooks galore and I thought she would be a major pop star. She then did a couple more good singles and her second EP was completely meh. Completely the wrong move and with the exception of one song it was disposable. It ended up with Olivia rather than Lexi being the breakout star. Maybe the first EP was a fluke or her clock struck twelve and her songwriting turned back into a pumpkin.
Emily Bear is a strange case since she has one album (Unofficial Bridgerton Soundtrack with Abigail Barlow) that was very successful but nothing else she has done approaches that level of success. That was really a testimony more to the popularity of Bridgerton than Barlow and Bear although they did excellent work on the soundtrack. Her recent Instagram boost shows a similar pattern. She was getting 5-15,000 likes per post and then suddenly she got 259,000 likes for one post and her IG subscribers shot up. But beginning with the very next post and continuing to this date, she's back to 5-15,000 likes per post. Go figure.
I saved Grace for last since she is the hardest one to explain. She has hardly released anything in years and her last single ("Boyfriends") was apparently a reject from the Letters, Volume I sessions. She's played much better songs on IG lives so I don't get it. In fact, the song she gave to the Hollywood Stargirl soundtrack ("Figure It Out") was a much better song. She really has not been active at all and it appears some of it was, like Jackie, recovering from some mental/emotional issues. Despite that, she still somehow has over a million monthly listeners. She also has a backlog of songs that stream regularly and let her do whatever she wants and a burgeoning film career to boot. I would personally like to have the studio versions of some of the stuff she wrote and/or performed on lives released but it appears she is starting anew and keeps talking about this "new project" she is doing. Her fans are speculating but no one knows for sure. There has been a cryptic post by a hairdresser who looks like a pro wrestler that Grace has worked with in the past on videos and films congratulating her on this project - whatever it may be.
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Post by amg1977 on Jul 24, 2024 17:59:50 GMT -5
Spotify Monthly Listeners Artist Rank Global Jackie Evancho 156,000 #53K+
Seems to find artist that have fewer streams than Jackie you have to look for artist that you didn't even know were singers also like Sofie Dossi. Jackie has relatively few streams but the problem is even worse than it seems because most of her streams are for her old CC songs (Jackie 1.0). Solla (Jackie 3.0) represents only a small fraction of the above stream count.
But is that really true? Three of the top streaming 10 songs in Jackie's catalogue over the last four weeks are from Solla including numbers 1 and 2 (GOOML is #1, BME 2.0 is #2, and Consequences is #7). Given there is a lot more songs from her back catalogue and her most successful years were from that period, having the top two and three out of 10 be from current material is actually pretty good.
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Post by richard on Jul 24, 2024 19:06:23 GMT -5
Dylan Conrique is an anomaly. She has a million monthly listeners but most of that is off one song. "Birthday Cake" has been streamed 175 million times and counting but the next highest of her songs is 11 million and nothing else is above 5 million. If people stop streaming that one song, her monthly listener totals would implode. What is strange about Birthday Cake is that Dylan was in the studio recording it and walked into Max Martin he told her to sing the song to him and he made some changes and helped with the production. Maybe he is that good to bring the most out of a song or just a coincidence But that sure turned out to be the best one she produced by far.
But unlike Jackie I believe all those mentioned have other work out side of singing, like Dylan Conrique is an actor on the TV series "The Rookies", Addison Rae was the highest paid person on TikTok and has made some movies, has a product line and podcast. Emily Bear is more of a composer than singer. Sabrina Carpenter is still an actor but I think you were right about how she shot up so fast by opening for Taylor Swift and then coming out with a new album something Jackie should have done on a smaller scale when she was on "The Masked Singer".
The one to watch is Olivia Rodrigo I think she has a good chance of catching Billie Eilish. I think she actually has a few more tools to play with. Olivia writes her own songs while most of Billie's is written by her brother, IMO I think Olivia has the looks and stage presence over Billie. But Billie does have the advantage of starting earlier and already had a huge following before Olivia got in the game. OH well Billie and Olivia are friends and coming in 2nd to one another is still not a bad place to be in. I sort of think of Taylor Swift as a god of singing in a different generation that probably can't grow much unless they start building larger stadiums.
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Post by amg1977 on Jul 24, 2024 21:30:34 GMT -5
The one to watch is Olivia Rodrigo I think she has a good chance of catching Billie Eilish. I think she actually has a few more tools to play with. Olivia writes her own songs while most of Billie's is written by her brother, IMO I think Olivia has the looks and stage presence over Billie. But Billie does have the advantage of starting earlier and already had a huge following before Olivia got in the game. OH well Billie and Olivia are friends and coming in 2nd to one another is still not a bad place to be in. I sort of think of Taylor Swift as a god of singing in a different generation that probably can't grow much unless they start building larger stadiums. I do agree Olivia has a chance to pass Billie but not for the reasons you mentioned. First of all, her brother Finneas did not write most of her songs. He has written some, she wrote others, but mostly they write as a team. What he does that is important is produce her albums. But then Olivia has Dan Nigro producing her so it cuts both ways. The reason I think she could overtake her is that Olivia is a mainstream pop artist while Billie is alt-pop. When alterative artists become huge, it usually has an expiration date. Someone like Billie (or Alanis, Lorde, etc.) are just too weird to stay in the mainstream spotlight. Like the others, she will probably have smaller streaming numbers as time goes on. She will still be a big star but at a lesser level.
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Post by Rightwing Conspiracy Theorist on Jul 24, 2024 21:41:17 GMT -5
I say that as someone that joined the AF at 17. I think it is very strange that in many states, you cannot legally consent to have sex until you are 18 but you can (with parental approval) enlist in the military and get killed. It is also strange that one can be drafted into the military and kill people at 18, but one can not purchase alcohol until age 21.
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Post by colt46 on Jul 24, 2024 21:56:02 GMT -5
Your post belongs in the off topic forum!
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 24, 2024 22:00:51 GMT -5
The reason I think she could overtake her is that Olivia is a mainstream pop artist while Billie is alt-pop. But surely Billie and Finneas could easily write songs that appeal to a larger mainstream pop audience if they chose to do so.
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Post by BOGC on Jul 24, 2024 23:25:34 GMT -5
I say that as someone that joined the AF at 17. I think it is very strange that in many states, you cannot legally consent to have sex until you are 18 but you can (with parental approval) enlist in the military and get killed. You can't drink until you're 21 these days (used to be 18, and used to be that on base, a 17 y/o soldier/sailor/airman/marine could have a beer in the enlisted club even in a dry state, but you couldn't have beer in your room (nor could your roomate) if you were under 18. (I don't know what it is now, but when I went to high school in an American school in Germany, the nominal German drinking age was 16, but they didn't check, and the American kids generally looked a couple years older than the German kids. I developed a sense of how much stronger German beer I could handle, learned to like the taste of some of it (mainly the Bavarian beer) and learned that (a) I didn't like anything that took away control, and (b) I got queasy right away if I overdid it, not next morning. So zero incentive to get wasted; one socially is one thing, more than that, no thanks.) You can't own an AR-15 or a handgun until you're 18 or 21. But you can be trusted with a full auto (or burst mode) M-16, the REAL scary black rifle, at 17 if you're in the military. Nobody should have sex until 25 or so anyway, when brain development settles down. Too many consequences to think of it as cheap entertainment! At least by then, they can maybe afford the consequences and not end up on welfare.
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Post by ChrisR on Jul 25, 2024 0:18:46 GMT -5
Jackie is not obsessed with her own numbers, her own career achievements, me me me. She doesn't have the narcissism that Caz and her bots have, she is just able to earn money doing what she loves and I doubt theres a whole lot of thought because in reality, shes just a 24 year old woman who just happens to have a great voice. Unfortunately, JE hasn't had a ton to talk about quite like she was able to several years ago. Hopefully that will improve for her someday. Hopefully JE will also be able to overcome her health issues.
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