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Post by msims on Jul 29, 2024 12:41:10 GMT -5
My claim is that you're a troll and trolls cannot be fans. Greg Camp produced her EP and yet you haven't been on his Instagram at all to see hes recorded and toured with his band for months now? A fan would at least glimpse every now and then.
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 29, 2024 12:56:25 GMT -5
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Post by colt46 on Jul 29, 2024 13:00:24 GMT -5
You must prove a statement when you say someone is touring !
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 29, 2024 13:04:55 GMT -5
But that is Jackie's biggest problem. From google: concern trolling: the action or practice of disingenuously expressing concern about an issue in order to undermine or derail genuine discussion. I did not express concern, I merely stated her problem. I leave it to Jackie's fans to express concern, I am not a fan. (But I am a fan of her career.)
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Post by msims on Jul 29, 2024 13:34:36 GMT -5
You spent years claiming its about streaming and then when I post that both her new and old material are being streamed, thats good news you then go on to concern troll about her career currently.
Shes going through mental health struggles. Her material currently is not textbook CC so it requires multiple musicians and if any of those musicians don't become available, use some common sense.
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Post by donkey on Jul 29, 2024 13:58:24 GMT -5
You spent years claiming its about streaming and then when I post that both her new and old material are being streamed, thats good news you then go on to concern troll about her career currently. Shes going through mental health struggles. Her material currently is not textbook CC so it requires multiple musicians and if any of those musicians don't become available, use some common sense. For several years in a row now you have made endless excuses...most if not all absurd excuses...for why she's not touring more. There has to be a point where the light come on, even for you msims. And by the way, she in no way needs Greg to be available in order for her to do more shows, old material or new EP material. She hired a drummer and bass guitar player for her Nashville Winery show a couple of years ago, and they played the Smoking Gun music just fine.
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Post by colt46 on Jul 29, 2024 14:01:04 GMT -5
I do think mental health is a factor in Jackie not touring !
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Post by colt46 on Jul 29, 2024 14:02:49 GMT -5
You can’t tell me Jackie isn’t popular in states like Florida! Go sing at the villages for example!
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Post by donkey on Jul 29, 2024 14:04:20 GMT -5
I do think mental health is a factor in Jackie not touring ! She did great at 54 Below. It didn't seem to be overtaxing her one bit. I agree, she overdid it on the Winery Tour and caught a cold from doing so many shows in basically a one month period. She said it was due to a weakened immune system due to her eating disorder. I totally believe that. I thought at the time that it was too much, and worried about her. But it's a far cry from that, and what we are seeing now, which is hardly any shows at all. Jackie has acknowledged in a recent interview how important social media is to booking venues. I think that is the issue. I also suspect that when she does get some gigs, she's not selling all of the seats in these smaller venues, and as a result she's not making much money and therefore going bare bones on stage like at 54 Below, where she just had her pianist (no percussion or guitar/base). That works for her old songs, but not too well for her new songs, which really need percussion and guitar.
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Post by colt46 on Jul 29, 2024 14:10:18 GMT -5
I said a factor, I don’t think Jackie would admit it’s a problem! Of course there are several problems, I was just stating one of them! Also when you sing at a venue you must advertise that event ! People won’t show up if they don’t know about a concert 🎵!
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Post by Rightwing Conspiracy Theorist on Jul 29, 2024 14:10:50 GMT -5
You spent years claiming its about streaming and then when I post that both her new and old material are being streamed, thats good news you then go on to concern troll about her career currently. Shes going through mental health struggles. Her material currently is not textbook CC so it requires multiple musicians and if any of those musicians don't become available, use some common sense. For several years in a row now you have made endless excuses...most if not all absurd excuses...for why she's not touring more. There has to be a point where the light come on, even for you msims. And by the way, she in no way needs Greg to be available in order for her to do more shows, old material or new EP material. She hired a drummer and bass guitar player for her Nashville Winery show a couple of years ago, and they played the Smoking Gun music just fine. Neither streaming or half full live performances are making her much money to continue. She likely raided her piggy bank for the last 3 albums/EPs. As Pale Porridge said, there's nothing that's going to turn the ship around at this point. I'd like to see her front a local Pittsburgh rock band. She would probably enjoy it.
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Post by The Jackinator on Jul 29, 2024 14:13:30 GMT -5
I do think mental health is a factor in Jackie not touring ! Probably so. Jackie doesn't have a large enough of a following to disappear for a year either. People move on to more exciting things.
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Post by Guest 6 on Jul 29, 2024 14:20:23 GMT -5
I do think mental health is a factor in Jackie not touring ! She did great at 54 Below. It didn't seem to be overtaxing her one bit. I agree, she overdid it on the Winery Tour and caught a cold from doing so many shows in basically a one month period. She said it was due to a weakened immune system due to her eating disorder. I totally believe that. I thought at the time that it was too much, and worried about her. But it's a far cry from that, and what we are seeing now, which is hardly any shows at all. Jackie has acknowledged in a recent interview how important social media is to booking venues. I think that is the issue. I also suspect that when she does get some gigs, she's not selling all of the seats in these smaller venues, and as a result she's not making much money and therefore going bare bones on stage like at 54 Below, where she just had her pianist (no percussion or guitar/base). That works for her old songs, but not too well for her new songs, which really need percussion and guitar. I saw Amira from Holland mentioned here a few pages ago and so I googled her. I think Jackie should look at how Amira has handled her career. She's not making money, for sure, but she's doing regular concerts, working with other singers, has a Patreon account, is in college, and seems to be generally happy (I know appearances can be deceiving). Jackie's voice is so much better and she was way more successful as a child, but Amira seems to deal with people better. I know the mental health struggles stopped this, but I can't help but think that Jackie would be so much happier if she had or does at least take some sort of classes with others who also love music, or theater, or drawing, or whatever. If she's ever done that, she hasn't mentioned it. Just to be with others who might have something in common with her and be able to become friends. www.instagram.com/amira_willighagen_official
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Post by The Jackinator on Jul 29, 2024 14:23:48 GMT -5
Plus the CC universe keeps shrinking. And, over time, Jackie's senior citizen fan base continues to die off. What will happen to her career? Neither full-on classical nor CC has ever gone away, nor ever will. Some few (admittedly) people under 50 or even 40 (or even under 30 if they are music geeks) still listen to both. It's not big, but it's loyally supported. And being big in a huge genre is not easy; there's not very many that are at any given time. Not that many years ago, but with less inflation, tickets to see Streisand were a few hundred bucks. I've an impressive sound-alike or two for Karen Carpenter on social media. There is a Broadway play about Neil Diamond, and the guy that plays him is scary sound-alike. The number of tribute bands out there doing covers and near-impersonations of bands that are aged out or no longer active is ridiculous, they're filler at venues between more recognized acts. There is a heck of a lot of music going on that's not the latest and greatest. My whole family was into Neil Diamond - especially Hot August Night. We had that album on repeat for many years.
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Post by donkey on Jul 29, 2024 14:26:25 GMT -5
I said a factor, I don’t think Jackie would admit it’s a problem! Of course there are several problems, I was just stating one of them! Also when you sing at a venue you must advertise that event ! People won’t show up if they don’t know about a concert 🎵! She's never been good at promoting/advertising herself for some reason. It would have no doubt been helpful if she had hired a professional to do that for her.
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