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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 29, 2024 14:36:39 GMT -5
You can’t tell me Jackie isn’t popular in states like Florida! Go sing at the villages for example! I thought so too. But it seems we are both wrong. The proof is in the pudding. There are no concerts scheduled at the Villages. Or anywhere other than Stony Brook, NY.
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Post by The Jackinator on Jul 29, 2024 15:01:41 GMT -5
SoCal, maybe it's time to change the banner? Thanks, done. Nice job with the banner, Guest 5. I wonder if Guest 5 still lurks the forum.
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Post by 1 Guest on Jul 29, 2024 15:42:14 GMT -5
Nice job with the banner, Guest 5. I wonder if Guest 5 still lurks the forum. Guest 5 is ghost at the cat forum.
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Post by The Jackinator on Jul 29, 2024 15:56:41 GMT -5
Nice job with the banner, Guest 5. I wonder if Guest 5 still lurks the forum. Guest 5 is ghost at the cat forum. OK, thanks
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Post by msims on Jul 29, 2024 16:04:49 GMT -5
You spent years claiming its about streaming and then when I post that both her new and old material are being streamed, thats good news you then go on to concern troll about her career currently. Shes going through mental health struggles. Her material currently is not textbook CC so it requires multiple musicians and if any of those musicians don't become available, use some common sense. For several years in a row now you have made endless excuses...most if not all absurd excuses...for why she's not touring more. There has to be a point where the light come on, even for you msims. And by the way, she in no way needs Greg to be available in order for her to do more shows, old material or new EP material. She hired a drummer and bass guitar player for her Nashville Winery show a couple of years ago, and they played the Smoking Gun music just fine. I am here to give the facts, if you choose to not believe them (as a non/fan/anti-fan) then that is not my concern: Fact #1: Jackie was already in Nashville writing prior to the Winery gigs. Fact #2 in April 2023 we found out indeed she was writing/recording with Greg: This just in from CelebrityAccess: "Melody Place is fast at work on a new project of original music from multi-platinum selling Jackie Evancho. The music, produced by Greg Camp (Smashmouth), is a new sound for the classically known singer. The songs are autobiographical about her dealings with mental illness." So I was absolutely right all along, as ive always been. As far as the argument that she had musicians before, doesn't mean they are available for a tour, a tour of just six songs. If the right offer came, if the musicians became available, then there very well could be a tour. -- Trolls constantly lie and they back up lies on guest accounts, they think that validates their lies. Im a fan, ive been on amazon since Sep or Oct of 2010 and ive always been right, so here goes: 1. She is making money from streaming of the older and the new material. 2. She does earn money from concerts, how else was she able to purchase two houses, and rent a NYC apartment. Cars as well. 3. She can book CC concerts including the Villages, but I don't think she wants to at this time, Christmas theater gigs too. 4. If she chooses to: work with musicians shes know if they become available to tour her EP, but thats not an easy thing to do and it requires playing very small venues, its a loss leader for sure. Yes a good offer to become an opener would work, doesn't have to be even a good band it can even be The Defiant. 5. Real fans are not easily manipulated by schtick, its pathetic. Find a hobby.
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Post by The Jackinator on Jul 29, 2024 16:30:28 GMT -5
For several years in a row now you have made endless excuses...most if not all absurd excuses...for why she's not touring more. There has to be a point where the light come on, even for you msims. And by the way, she in no way needs Greg to be available in order for her to do more shows, old material or new EP material. She hired a drummer and bass guitar player for her Nashville Winery show a couple of years ago, and they played the Smoking Gun music just fine. I am here to give the facts, if you choose to not believe them (as a non/fan/anti-fan) then that is not my concern: Fact #1: Jackie was already in Nashville writing prior to the Winery gigs. Fact #2 in April 2023 we found out indeed she was writing/recording with Greg: This just in from CelebrityAccess: "Melody Place is fast at work on a new project of original music from multi-platinum selling Jackie Evancho. The music, produced by Greg Camp (Smashmouth), is a new sound for the classically known singer. The songs are autobiographical about her dealings with mental illness." So I was absolutely right all along, as ive always been. As far as the argument that she had musicians before, doesn't mean they are available for a tour, a tour of just six songs. If the right offer came, if the musicians became available, then there very well could be a tour. -- Trolls constantly lie and they back up lies on guest accounts, they think that validates their lies. Im a fan, ive been on amazon since Sep or Oct of 2010 and ive always been right, so here goes: 1. She is making money from streaming of the older and the new material. 2. She does earn money from concerts, how else was she able to purchase two houses, and rent a NYC apartment. Cars as well. 3. She can book CC concerts including the Villages, but I don't think she wants to at this time, Christmas theater gigs too. 4. If she chooses to: work with musicians shes know if they become available to tour her EP, but thats not an easy thing to do and it requires playing very small venues, its a loss leader for sure. Yes a good offer to become an opener would work, doesn't have to be even a good band it can even be The Defiant. 5. Real fans are not easily manipulated by schtick, its pathetic. Find a hobby. You once defined a real fan was someone that went to Jackie's concerts, but you unwilling to provide the dates and locations of the concerts. Since some time has gone by, have you had a chance to compile your extensive concert list? Curious minds want to know. I'll bet that I've been to MANY more Jackie concerts than you have.
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Post by amg1977 on Jul 29, 2024 16:48:09 GMT -5
I've never fully said this before, and it makes me sad to say, but it really does appear that Jackie's career is over. Multiple years in a row with next to no concerts, hard time selling out the few small venues she does get, when she finally does release an EP...no tour and she barely sings two of the songs from it at one of the two venues she sang at all year. It's looking likely that the small venue November show in NYC is the only other show coming this year, save for a likely home state Xmas show. I'm afraid Jackie's future is singing classic old Jackie cc music at a few small venues each year...a nod to her successful, but ended childhood career. That still allows her to sing some, which is good, but it's not really a career anymore. It's more of a tip of the hat to remaining fans and to the good old days. :/ And this is coming from someone who really enjoyed her EP...still listen to it in the car a lot. I'd love to be wrong, but I it doesn't look good. Unlike msims, sometimes you have to face reality.
I would disagree with you on this one. Now, I am not promising her alt-pop career will take off to her previous successes, but alt-pop careers rarely do. If they have some talent and put in the time, over a few years they can build an audience. The one problem I see is that it some resolve that Jackie has not always displayed in large quantities. Granted, that is largely due to her ongoing issues, but that doesn't change the facts. Still, she has done about as well with this initial release as I could have expected: she got some exposure, she made some playlists, and she made some industry contacts. She seems to have a good rapport with Greg Camp and I hope that continues for the near future.
This places a lot of importance on her next release. I hope she can write (alone or with help) something that is more upbeat and edgier musically than what is on Solla. If she can make her way on some playlists with a larger audience base, her streaming numbers will go up dramatically (being played from a playlist still counts as a stream). In a sense, the fact that her past was in CC is a plus now as that audience has no preconceived notions of her style or image (no offense, but they probably don't know she exists) and she is just another new artist.
I like Solla, but the one thing it lacks is a killer track - a signature song that comes out and grabs you. If she can have one in the next couple of singles, it would take her up a few notches. If Greg Camp has another "Walking on the Sun" or "All Star" hook in him, now would be a good time to use it.
If Greg Camp has another "Walking On the Sun" or "All Star" type hook in him, now would be a good time to use it.
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Post by colt46 on Jul 29, 2024 16:59:47 GMT -5
I think Greg Camp is washed up, Jackie won’t get anywhere with his help! Need someone with fresh ideas instead of old tired afterthoughts !
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 29, 2024 17:02:04 GMT -5
If Greg Camp has another "Walking On the Sun" or "All Star" type hook in him, now would be a good time to use it. 1. I'm not optimistic that someone who has not produced a hit or a semi-hit in 20 years can produce a hit. 2. But if I'm wrong and Greg has a hit left in him, wouldn't he use it for himself or his new band rather than give it to Jackie?
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Post by BOGC on Jul 29, 2024 17:56:40 GMT -5
I know the mental health struggles stopped this, but I can't help but think that Jackie would be so much happier if she had or does at least take some sort of classes with others who also love music, or theater, or drawing, or whatever. If she's ever done that, she hasn't mentioned it. Just to be with others who might have something in common with her and be able to become friends. People vary in at least two relevant ways: how much they benefit from interacting with others with shared interests, and how well they learn in a structured environment where the teachers use basically one formula to teach a subject to a relatively large number of students, rather than knowing a variety of ways of teaching it and finding what works best for the student.
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Post by BOGC on Jul 29, 2024 18:03:12 GMT -5
If Greg Camp has another "Walking On the Sun" or "All Star" type hook in him, now would be a good time to use it. 1. I'm not optimistic that someone who has not produced a hit or a semi-hit in 20 years can produce a hit. 2. But if I'm wrong and Greg has a hit left in him, wouldn't he use it for himself or his new band rather than give it to Jackie? There's concept of melody and lyrics, there's arrangement (which takes experience and can make a big difference), and there's performance and all the studio stuff (which hopefully can be approximated live too, mostly without the constraints of being tied to a backing track). And maybe more that I've overlooked. Like marketing (necessary evil). The difference between a hit (at least a minor one) and yawn could be in any or some combination of those; preferably but not necessarily all of them, of course. If Camp or someone with experience can help very effectively with arrangement and mixing, or even a bit with marketing, it may not matter if they haven't had any awesome concepts in awhile.
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Post by richard on Jul 29, 2024 18:19:38 GMT -5
She does earn money from concerts, how else was she able to purchase two houses, and rent a NYC apartment. Cars as well. BS she lives with Mike unless he moved to Italy. The big house was owned by her parents. The Soft ball game was for celebrities that live in Pittsburgh. Jackie doesn't seem to have much money to do anything. How could she have hardly any money left she hasn't had steady work for a few years now. Seems now her plans to get her old OTT fans to pay her way to Italy fell through.
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Post by colt46 on Jul 29, 2024 18:28:09 GMT -5
Stop 🛑 working with has-bin’s Jackie !.
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Post by M Sims on Jul 29, 2024 18:36:44 GMT -5
If Greg Camp has another "Walking On the Sun" or "All Star" type hook in him, now would be a good time to use it. 1. I'm not optimistic that someone who has not produced a hit or a semi-hit in 20 years can produce a hit. 2. But if I'm wrong and Greg has a hit left in him, wouldn't he use it for himself or his new band rather than give it to Jackie? Option C: there’s a writer named Stephan Moccio he was a fan of Jackie’s and even tweeted with her he was going to write her a song but he ended up writing Wrecking Ball, I don’t need to explain more. It’s always about the money.
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Post by Rightwing Conspiracy Theorist on Jul 29, 2024 18:37:42 GMT -5
You can’t tell me Jackie isn’t popular in states like Florida! Go sing at the villages for example! I thought so too. But it seems we are both wrong. The proof is in the pudding. There are no concerts scheduled at the Villages. Or anywhere other than Stony Brook, NY. As of now, the concert in Stony Brook has sold about 120/380 tickets. msims will guarantee there will be a huge rush for tickets at the last minute.
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