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Post by amg1977 on Aug 6, 2024 16:15:42 GMT -5
@socal fan please move these posts to an off thread as they are off topi You know the rules of this forum by now but are being willfully ignorant. There is a Jackie Only forum on this board so this forum is obviously NOT a Jackie only forum. The heading is General Entertainment. if Socal Fan wishes to change the rules, I will obey the rules that are in place. As it stands, I usually only post things here that are related to the careers of the entertainers discussed whether that be singing, acting, modeling. I post all personal posts (posts with friends, etc.) in the Grace section of the other artists forum.
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Post by msims on Aug 6, 2024 16:44:45 GMT -5
@socal fan please move these posts to an off thread as they are off topi You know the rules of this forum by now but are being willfully ignorant. There is a Jackie Only forum on this board so this forum is obviously NOT a Jackie only forum. The heading is General Entertainment. if Socal Fan wishes to change the rules, I will obey the rules that are in place. As it stands, I usually only post things here that are related to the careers of the entertainers discussed whether that be singing, acting, modeling. I post all personal posts (posts with friends, etc.) in the Grace section of the other artists forum. What rules? Caz threatened to doxx Jackie's family and that post is still up im sure. OP stated: The objective of this forum is to replace the Jackie Evancho forum on Amazon and what the thread should say is: General Discussions (when he put entertainment in, he modified what the original forum therefore his OP was disingenuous) The Jackie Evancho forum on Amazon was a product discussion an off shot of Amazon Reviews. So if you didn't like the product at that time that was fair. If your favorite had a product to compare, but in your own words just the other day even she has not released an LP or EP in a number of years and you think its relevant that people are streaming her music, its only relevant on her own forums. You knew what you were doing: you posted a Vegas show girl type of link, knowing full well that her fans and Jackie fans arent into that. You're complaining about the german doing but you are both doing the exact same thing. You are both getting away with disrupting the discussions.
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Post by amg1977 on Aug 6, 2024 17:29:46 GMT -5
What rules? Caz threatened to doxx Jackie's family and that post is still up im sure. OP stated: The objective of this forum is to replace the Jackie Evancho forum on Amazon and what the thread should say is: General Discussions (when he put entertainment in, he modified what the original forum therefore his OP was disingenuous) The Jackie Evancho forum on Amazon was a product discussion an off shot of Amazon Reviews. So if you didn't like the product at that time that was fair. If your favorite had a product to compare, but in your own words just the other day even she has not released an LP or EP in a number of years and you think its relevant that people are streaming her music, its only relevant on her own forums. You knew what you were doing: you posted a Vegas show girl type of link, knowing full well that her fans and Jackie fans arent into that. You're complaining about the german doing but you are both doing the exact same thing. You are both getting away with disrupting the discussions.
What rules? Caz threatened to doxx Jackie's family and that post is still up im sure.
That is between you and Socal Fan. I disapprove of anyone doxxing anybody under any circumstances. We don't need to be reminded what happened to Christina Grimmie. Billie, Grace, Jackie have all had stalkers and we don't need to make their jobs easier.
The Jackie Evancho forum on Amazon was a product discussion an off shot of Amazon Reviews.
More specifically, Socal Fan wished to continue the Jackie Forum as it existed when the forums were discontinued. I have no idea what it was like when Jackie's career began because I didn't become interested in her until a few years into her career, found the forum after that, and did not participate actively in that or any other forum because of conflict of interests since I worked for a firm hired by people who could be potential competitors in the marketplace. From the very opening of this forum (see the first posts in Gen Discussions #1), this forum was intended to be the later Amazon Jackie forum which, like many fan forums on Amazon, was a free-for-all. If anything, this is a bit tame compared to the craziness that went on there.
...you think its relevant that people are streaming her music...
Jackie needs to stream to have a future career. Grace's streaming numbers despite her not releasing new material illustrates the changing musical landscape. It used to be that you would make your money when the album sold and never make it again in big numbers. Now you can make money off stuff you recorded decades ago. That is why publishers are climbing over themselves to buy up publishing rights to legacy acts' catalogues to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. Well, the performing artist gets a bigger chunk than the publishers, so you can imagine what legacy acts are getting there. With album sales, you make the same money whether the fans play the album repeatedly or just once. With streaming, you are paid by the play. To make an analogy, album sales are the hare and streaming is the tortoise. The key is to a secure living is to have people want to play your music five, ten years from now. The fact that this forum even exists shows that Jackie has done this in the past but the numbers are not there anymore and those who are still listen to CDs which doesn't help her at all once the purchase is made. It is also why I cautioned people when there was a "gloom and doom" atmosphere when BME came slow out of the gate. Jackie is still very young and this has to be taken as a long term strategy. What Grace illustrates is that if Jackie were to have some level of success in the future and make music people want to hear repeatedly, she could take some time off if she had a relapse (from what i know of anorexia, it is often a lifetime struggle).
You're complaining about the german doing but you are both doing the exact same thing.
While I may throw jibes at eulenspiegel's direction, it is often tongue-in-cheek and I always make a point to separate an artist from their overzealous fans. Jackie isn't the only one with OTTs. In general, I call things as I see them and when Billie or Grace or Jackie do something I consider foolish, I don't feel obligated to defend them. A few years back i criticized Grace for what I considered a less than professional performance on a streamed concert during the pandemic. I have joked about Grace's flaky behavior and, if she pulls some stupid move like pulling back again after this lead up I will have no problem voicing my opinion. I've been giving Jackie a pretty wide berth lately because I now am aware of her issues and she does appear to be making moves I and others argued she needed to do years ago. Some people still aren't happy, but I think it's hypocritical to take the position Jackie needs to do A and then move the goalposts when she starts doing A. As for eulenspiegel's fave Emily, I believe she is an amazing talent but her strengths are in composing, playing, production, etc. - not as a front line performer.
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Post by johnnyb on Aug 6, 2024 21:55:38 GMT -5
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Post by Socal Fan on Aug 6, 2024 22:35:49 GMT -5
Caz threatened to doxx Jackie's family and that post is still up im sure. I did not consider that post as a threat to doxx. It seems that my interpretation was correct given that no doxxing ever materialized. If any doxxing had materialized, I would have deleted it.
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Post by Socal Fan on Aug 6, 2024 23:17:20 GMT -5
@socal fan please move these posts to an off thread as they are off topic OP stated: The objective of this forum is to replace the Jackie Evancho forum on Amazon and what the thread should say is: General Discussions (when he put entertainment in, he modified what the original forum therefore his OP was disingenuous) The objective of this General Discussion thread is indeed to replace the Jackie Evancho forum on Amazon as it was when Amazon deleted all forums. By that time, there was effectively no moderation and anything and everything was being posted. Without moderation, everything was effectively on-topic. Since this thread is now moderated, I have now limited it to: (1) The entertainment industry with the focus on Jackie and related topics. Subjects more closely related to Jackie can be posted in unlimited quantity. Such subjects include GraceV, who is as closely related to Jackie as possible - AGT contestant, female child prodigy, singer-songwriter. Subjects only distantly related to Jackie should be posted only occasionally. Such subjects include Emily Bear and Maddie Ziegler (both non-singers, non-AGT). So frequency of posting should be directly proportional to how closely the subject is related to Jackie. (2) General discussion topics (non-Jackie and non-entertainment) of interest to members. E.g. Rick's cats, generic videos of donkeys, etc. Since these have no relationship to Jackie, these topics should only rarely be posted.
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Post by Lazy River on Aug 7, 2024 0:54:45 GMT -5
Sims I can't believe you are still talking about that stupid Amazon forum. What an obsession! You strain and strain and complain and complain... about a dead forum, from the past, that is not this forum. Be here now.
Anyway, when Jackie is about to release something it's exciting, but she's not releasing anything. Grace is, though, so that's exciting right now. It ebbs and flows, man. It ebbs and flows...
It's all good: musicians and music and bands and albums. Good for the soul.
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Post by BOGC on Aug 7, 2024 2:20:57 GMT -5
It's all good: musicians and music and bands and albums. Good for the soul. Not all good. Jinx Dawson had a great voice (obvious in her cover of One Tin Soldier). But her group Coven was even creepier than it sounds, the beginning of occult rock, almost certainly the inspiration for later groups like Black Sabbath and other brain-fried nutjobs. Thought by some to be among the inspiration for the Manson "family" murders, etc. Nothing wrong with challenging assumptions...a little bit. But going real close to the point of turning upside down ideas of what's good and what isn't, whether just as entertainment or with serious intent, is NOT good for the soul.
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Post by colt46 on Aug 7, 2024 8:32:30 GMT -5
If someone is excited to see what Grace does, Sims will give you a dislike 👎 other words a badge of honor thank you sims !
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Post by amg1977 on Aug 7, 2024 11:48:25 GMT -5
It's all good: musicians and music and bands and albums. Good for the soul. Not all good. Jinx Dawson had a great voice (obvious in her cover of One Tin Soldier). But her group Coven was even creepier than it sounds, the beginning of occult rock, almost certainly the inspiration for later groups like Black Sabbath and other brain-fried nutjobs. Thought by some to be among the inspiration for the Manson "family" murders, etc. Nothing wrong with challenging assumptions...a little bit. But going real close to the point of turning upside down ideas of what's good and what isn't, whether just as entertainment or with serious intent, is NOT good for the soul. A little tongue-in-cheek review of Coven's career:
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Post by colt46 on Aug 7, 2024 11:58:06 GMT -5
I think Disappointed’s post should be moved to the out house!
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Post by richard on Aug 7, 2024 14:46:05 GMT -5
Today Jackie Evancho Spotify Monthly listeners 138,903 Kenzie Ziegler Spotify Monthly Listeners 2,216,141
July 23 Jackie had 156,000 Kenzie had 2,020,000
Jackie lost 17'097
Kenzie gained 196,141
Jackie's new album came out May 3 2024 Kenzie new album came out July 2 2024 So her album hasn't been out long enough to completely benefit from for the montly report Jackie never got to 160k.
So Kenzie gained as many monthly listeners as Jackie has monthly listeners. Doesn't look good for Jackie and it would be stupid for Jackie to try and tour even if she could get a venue.
and Kenzie is no power house like Tate McRae and Olivia Rodrigo. All of them are New Gen-Z artist.
Forget Jackie ever making it to 500K unless she does some series work with some series management that is really looking out for her.
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Post by donkey on Aug 7, 2024 14:47:04 GMT -5
Today Jackie Evancho Spotify Monthly listeners 138,903 Kenzie Ziegler Spotify Monthly Listeners 2,216,141 Close!
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Post by donkey on Aug 7, 2024 15:45:30 GMT -5
Can anyone else access Jackie's website?
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Post by richard on Aug 7, 2024 15:55:49 GMT -5
Can anyone else access Jackie's website? I am getting connection times out and I am unable to access it.
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