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Post by msims on Aug 14, 2024 19:13:33 GMT -5
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Post by amg1977 on Aug 14, 2024 19:43:35 GMT -5
Your framing. Jackie played instrumentation on her Solla EP
The only instruments I have heard Jackie play in any extended manner are the piano and the bass. She has never shown any high degree of comfort playing the piano where it seemed to come naturally. She has seemed natural on multiple occasions with the bass guitar and that indicates to me a level of musicality necessary for songwriting that I hadn't seen before.
I don't know what level of instrumentation she may have done on Solla. It is one thing to be able to set chords and have a computer interpret an instrument as is common in current studios and another to actually play an instrument live. So saying this (bass guitar) may be her instrument (all real songwriters should have one) was a positiive comment.
in a prior post I mentioned you brought up unprofessional conduct, you actually implied prior that she would cuss out a producer if she didn't agree with them such as when it was suggested to Jackie to record Joni covers
If someone had tried to pressure Grace into making an album of covers when she wanted to make an album of originals, she would have told them to f*** off in no uncertain terms. It's not the idea of a covers album that would be the problem (hell, David Bowie and Bob Dylan did cover albums) but the implication that she was not capable of writing her own songs which is what happened with Jackie under Fred Molin's direction. Grace could get away with rebellion because she had established herself as a successful singer-songwriter and had some control over her output. Because of Jackie's genre, she had little opportunity to flex any songwriting prowess and Molin had publicly voiced his low opinion of singers who were not established songwriters trying to write their own music.
and again modeling pics I consider that off topic and spam What actually would constitute spam is bringing up other people allegedly posting span when you have been told on numerous occasions by the person who actually owns this board that you are wrong. You don't seem to comprehend the idea of "my house, my rules." If Socal Fan changes the rules to something else entirely, I would either continue with the rules in place or leave but I would not stay around and whine because I didn't get my way. You are perfectly free to create the "St Jackie of the Red Dress" forum where it will always be 2011.
Jackie has done some light modeling but this is not a wannabe strippers forum.
You mean like this:
Seriously though, do you think for a moment that Jackie does not want that for herself? After all the talk about empire building, etc., and making photoshoots well beyond her normal fare, do you really believe that is an area she does not wish to expand into in the future? She is young, attractive, and any future success will come paired with such opportunities. These would obviously be proportional to any future level of success she gains, but I am pretty sure she wants to be one of those placement celebs at fashion shows (she's already done it at least once in the last year or so) and have endorsements in the future. She is obviously not going to be a runway model at her height, but she will want photoshoots in magazines drawing attention to future releases.
Grace's recent crawling out from the rock she had been living under the last few years was obviously intentional to capitalize on the publicity from Megalopolis: Her appearance at the Cannes Film Festival, the recent photoshoots, the coming release of music, signing with the new label, a coming interview with Billboard, more appearances at the premieres in Hollywood and NYC, etc., is all too well organized to be some random perfect storm.
The framing (such as at 24 she only now feels comfortable in situations making friends outside her immediate family Her social media had never until recently presented Jackie in a setting where her father was not present. There were lots of professional gatherings (a good and necessary thing) but any personal gatherings were with her family.
you don't know this person like you think you do
But of course you know her just perfectly ... . I make evaluations based on evidence. For example, I have stated repeatedly that I have no idea on how much money is leftover from her early career. I can make a decent guess as to what she might get in streaming income. Generally, if your non-professionally related social media profile output has no instances of you having fun with friends, there is a good chance it isn't happening.
but its rainbows and unicorns with your favorite I have repeatedly mentioned Grace's problems over the last few years and her inactivity. Unlike you, I do not feel the need to defend stupid decisions or negate obvious emotional turmoil. By the way, the last metaphor I would ever use with reference to Grace is "rainbows and unicorns." Tattoos and body piercings, maybe, but not rainbows and unicorns. Until recently, rainbows and unicorns were monopolized by Jojo Siwa.
not sure what your issue is with Mike, Mike is just a scapegoat
I have stated that I think Mike loves Jackie and wants what is best for her. I can understand as a father that when he sees his daughter in the circumstances of the last five or so years, he would instinctively protect her from all potential harm. I don't pretend to know the cause of what happened to Jackie that necessitated Mike moving in with her and basically being her major emotional support in recent years. But I do believe Jackie is doing much better and it was necessary to get Mike from dominating her life. I can tell you that if the same happened to my daughter, I would not know when to back off and let her start living her own life again. I suspect Christina as an outsider to the dynamics had a better grasp of the situation. Fathers like to fix their daughters' problems and be the protector - it's human nature.
My only other issue with Mike was that he was in over his head. Again, I am not suggesting that Jackie be turned over to some corporate entity but that they have their own experienced representation negotiating on their behalf.
The royalties for OHN were withheld for Dream with Me, which they threw the kitchen sink into and DF was costly, PBS which luckily did very well and aired for quite sometime
So you are saying that everyone made money off DWM except the Evanchos. That only underscores the point I made above. The Evanchos going in had no idea how the record industry worked - particularly at a time when the label system was crumbling because of piracy. A knowledgeable negotiator knows where to put caps on spending and how to get proper advances and generally a fair deal for the artist. There is a standard contract but there are open clauses for the "extras" and who is responsible. A 10-15% fee from a real management team is a small price when you consider all the money that could be left on the table. Not only in the record contract but also in future opportunities. The more the Evanchos make, the more the agent makes and they love to make money.
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Post by colt46 on Aug 14, 2024 20:20:39 GMT -5
Jackie’s parents should have hired someone that knew how the music industry works! Mom and pop did it on the cheap and it cost 💲 them !
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Post by msims on Aug 14, 2024 20:24:17 GMT -5
Jackie’s parents should have hired someone that knew how the music industry works! Mom and pop did it on the cheap and it cost 💲 them ! They did hire people.
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Post by 1 Guest on Aug 14, 2024 20:37:34 GMT -5
Jackie’s parents should have hired someone that knew how the music industry works! Mom and pop did it on the cheap and it cost 💲 them ! I'm curious to know what you and everyone else who feels that way thinks different management could have done differently. She was a little kid who sang arias and admitted herself that she didn't have a pop voice. So many very young singers have entered talent shows and a lot of them were really, really good, but most have gone nowhere so I don't know that anyone could have taken Jackie any further.
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Post by msims on Aug 14, 2024 20:44:54 GMT -5
She has never shown any high degree of comfort playing the piano where it seemed to come naturally. She was so comfortable that she and/or Parents bought a piano and had that piano in her own house until I believe they sold the house. I don't know what level of instrumentation she may have done on Solla. You would if you attended her zoom with GC and SM. If someone had tried to pressure I didnt state pressure and simply saying no is professional conduct. she would have told them to f*** off You proved my point, shes unprofessional and no you can't rebel as a child. but the implication that she was not capable of writing her own songs which is what happened with Jackie under Fred Molin's direction. You assumed the implication without facts. successful singer-songwriter I disagree. She had probably 200 million hits more or less and barely had a Top Ten B200 debut. What actually would constitute spam is bringing up other people allegedly posting span when you have been told on numerous occasions by the person who actually owns this board that you are wrong. And you continue to rant: You don't seem to comprehend the idea of "my house, my rules." and whine because I didn't get my way. So what is your problem with you posting on a forum where there are actual fans of your favorite, more than the two or so people? Is it because they don't want an old man in the other forums? Trolls will always typically find an excuse to trigger what they do. Seriously though, do you think for a moment that Jackie does not want that for herself? Its not really your business to assume what someone wants who you don't know and have no respect for or for her parents and its projection. recent crawling out from the rock Wrong forum. Her social media had never until recently presented Jackie in a setting where her father was not present. There were lots of professional gatherings (a good and necessary thing) but any personal gatherings were with her family. You don't have access to her personal life so you don't really know what she does outside social media and it should be that way for everyone. But of course you know her just perfectly See this is the real amg, the liberal with the projection. I can make a decent guess as to what she might get in streaming income. Uh huh Generally, if your non-professionally related social media profile output has no instances of you having fun with friends, there is a good chance it isn't happening. Why is it your business in the first place what she does with her own personal time? You arent even a fan, you pretend to be a fan just so you could post about this girl who two or three people here are interested in. Two or three people when you could post in a forum with much more than that. But im a Jackie fan and I don't care what she does in her own time, that she doesn't want to share. Unlike you, I do not feel the need to defend stupid decisions Well it wasnt a bright decision for you to create this account here without an understanding that forums have topics and different threads for different topics. or negate obvious emotional turmoil That part is true, but everything else not. Again citing a theory and you question why I question your credibility. basically being her major emotional support in recent years. Nope. Shes been in therapy. it was necessary to get Mike from dominating her life. You don't know that and are assuming just like you're assuming Columbia paid your favorite ALOT of money. let her start living her own life again. Show me the proof. Ive never seen any evidence presented against Mike. My only other issue with Mike was that he was in over his head. Not really. You would not have a favorite without M&L push for Jackie to get on AGT after getting rejected. If there was no ratings, there would be no interest in a 12 year old child singer by the producers. So you are saying that everyone made money off DWM except the Evanchos. Nope I didn't say that. You should have man'd up and asked Lisa when she was around at that time.
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Post by Socal Fan on Aug 14, 2024 20:49:33 GMT -5
Jackie’s parents should have hired someone that knew how the music industry works! Mom and pop did it on the cheap and it cost 💲 them ! I'm curious to know what you and everyone else who feels that way thinks different management could have done differently. She was a little kid who sang arias and admitted herself that she didn't have a pop voice. So many very young singers have entered talent shows and a lot of them were really, really good, but most have gone nowhere so I don't know that anyone could have taken Jackie any further. Jackie fans think that all Jackie needs is some super agent or super songwriter who will wonders with her career. These fans don't seem to understand that agents and songwriters make money by taking a cut of the singer's income. Why would a super agent or songwriter work with Jackie when they could make much more money working with a singing star?
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Post by msims on Aug 14, 2024 20:58:09 GMT -5
I'm curious to know what you and everyone else who feels that way thinks different management could have done differently. She was a little kid who sang arias and admitted herself that she didn't have a pop voice. So many very young singers have entered talent shows and a lot of them were really, really good, but most have gone nowhere so I don't know that anyone could have taken Jackie any further. Jackie fans think that all Jackie needs is some super agent or super songwriter who will wonders with her career. Jackie is very much a success in big part due to the decisions made early on in her career as well as Jackie's continued pursuing of her music career. That being said if shes not getting gigs (im not going to assume anything based on what ive read here as its always wrong) then she should get a different agent.
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Post by richard on Aug 14, 2024 21:13:06 GMT -5
Jackie’s parents should have hired someone that knew how the music industry works! Mom and pop did it on the cheap and it cost 💲 them ! They did hire people. BS they micro managed Jackie's career and life. Mike is still her manager. if you want Jackie for a show then you need to go through him. You sure can't go on her web site: Mike isn't going to hire the best for anything he is going to hire the cheapest. Like that photographer who didn't even get paid.
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Post by Disappointed on Aug 14, 2024 21:46:17 GMT -5
Jackie fans think that all Jackie needs is some super agent or super songwriter who will wonders with her career. Jackie is very much a success in big part due to the decisions made early on in her career as well as Jackie's continued pursuing of her music career. That being said if shes not getting gigs (im not going to assume anything based on what ive read here as its always wrong) then she should get a different agent. The scam is OVER, Simsy! The only reason she did get most of those bookings at those taxpayer-funded non-profit flunky venues is that she didn't have to pay an outside manager so could charge a lesser fee. And those venues then bit at that offer rather than give those gigs to others who had to pay their outside manager and charged more. But those venues now realize it has been 14 years since the lotto win and cultist attraction and may of those old cultists are dead or in the nursing home, or have moved on. So they won't bite any more even at those reduced rates. Particularly seeing the Winery Tour results and the fact she can only fill half of a supposedly fairly popular New York restaurant/bar that seats 150. It's over Simsy! It really is! The circus has left town for good! The big top has been cut into pieces and used to clean the elephants' butts! Just a few clowns left, mostly on this forum and Facebook. FINALLY! It's OVER!
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Post by donkey on Aug 14, 2024 21:49:53 GMT -5
Jackie is very much a success in big part due to the decisions made early on in her career as well as Jackie's continued pursuing of her music career. That being said if shes not getting gigs (im not going to assume anything based on what ive read here as its always wrong) then she should get a different agent. The scam is OVER, Simsy! The only reason she did get most of those bookings at those taxpayer-funded non-profit flunky venues is that she didn't have to pay an outside manager so could charge a lesser fee. And those venues then bit at that offer rather than give those gigs to others who had to pay their outside manager and charged more. But those venues now realize it has been 14 years since the lotto win and cultist attraction and may of those old cultists are dead or in the nursing home, or have moved on. So they won't bite any more even at those reduced rates. Particularly seeing the Winery Tour results and the fact she can only fill half of a supposedly fairly popular New York restaurant/bar that seats 150. It's over Simsy! It really is! The circus has left town for good! The big top has been cut into pieces and used to clean the elephants' butts! Just a few clowns left, mostly on this forum and Facebook. FINALLY! It's OVER! I don't know, a new girl band could be in the offing. Look out Bangles from the 80s. lol www.instagram.com/stories/officialrachelevancho/
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Post by The Jackinator on Aug 14, 2024 21:56:37 GMT -5
The scam is OVER, Simsy! The only reason she did get most of those bookings at those taxpayer-funded non-profit flunky venues is that she didn't have to pay an outside manager so could charge a lesser fee. And those venues then bit at that offer rather than give those gigs to others who had to pay their outside manager and charged more. But those venues now realize it has been 14 years since the lotto win and cultist attraction and may of those old cultists are dead or in the nursing home, or have moved on. So they won't bite any more even at those reduced rates. Particularly seeing the Winery Tour results and the fact she can only fill half of a supposedly fairly popular New York restaurant/bar that seats 150. It's over Simsy! It really is! The circus has left town for good! The big top has been cut into pieces and used to clean the elephants' butts! Just a few clowns left, mostly on this forum and Facebook. FINALLY! It's OVER! I don't know, a new girl band could be in the offing. Look out Bangles from the 80s. lol www.instagram.com/stories/officialrachelevancho/It is likely over since her altpop phase isn't capturing anyone's imagination. It would be fun to see her toss a hail Mary pass with a rock band.
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Post by Don't Be Cruel on Aug 14, 2024 21:59:21 GMT -5
Hope Jackie still looks good when her career gets to the fat Elvis stage
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Post by Band on Aug 14, 2024 22:06:22 GMT -5
It is likely over since her altpop phase isn't capturing anyone's imagination. It would be fun to see her toss a hail Mary pass with a rock band. Agree. Now is the time. Bands like The Warning and Boy Genius are big.
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Post by richard on Aug 14, 2024 22:10:25 GMT -5
Jackie’s parents should have hired someone that knew how the music industry works! Mom and pop did it on the cheap and it cost 💲 them ! I'm curious to know what you and everyone else who feels that way thinks different management could have done differently. She was a little kid who sang arias and admitted herself that she didn't have a pop voice. So many very young singers have entered talent shows and a lot of them were really, really good, but most have gone nowhere so I don't know that anyone could have taken Jackie any further. They wouldn't have taken all her money. They would have diversified a lot more, They would have looked out for her future. They would have had her interact with other celebrities and fans her own age, they wouldn't try to keep her a 10 year old. Just look around if Jackie is as talented as several others that are even younger than her why are they doing so well with real management and Jackie hasn't. Jackie has had more opportunities than anyone she pretty well is a professional contestant on all the got talent spin off.
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