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Post by msims on Aug 14, 2024 22:18:24 GMT -5
It is likely over since her altpop phase isn't capturing anyone's imagination. BME 2.0 charted on BB AC. I am going to have concur though with the Guest in the Off Topic thread whos post got deleted, its either that or bath salts or cognitive impairment.
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Post by Book for Jackie on Aug 14, 2024 22:26:14 GMT -5
I just read "I'm Glad My Mother Died," by Jannette McCurdy. I think there is a lot in there that Jackie could relate to, but of course no two stories are alike. I wouldn't take the title literally, it's more about dealing, struggling and trying to move on.
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Post by colt46 on Aug 14, 2024 22:58:10 GMT -5
Than you have no reason to post anymore disappointed! Unless you are going after another singer you want to fail!
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Post by Book for Jackie on Aug 14, 2024 23:00:13 GMT -5
Insightful interview of Jennette McCurdy on The Daily Show when the book came out. Jennette herself was very pleased with the interview. I thought of Jackie numerous times while reading this book. Eating disorder, working as a child entertainer, and the pressure to please people in particular. There are other horrendous facts in the book about her upbringing that do not apply, so I felt I should caution people not to infer that I'm drawing any parallels to Jackie's parenting (connective tissue, maybe, but not in any way the horrendous parts). It's a good read that I'd recommend for anyone who follows Jackie or other young entertainers.
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Post by BOGC on Aug 14, 2024 23:07:20 GMT -5
It is likely over since her altpop phase isn't capturing anyone's imagination. It would be fun to see her toss a hail Mary pass with a rock band. Rock is the devil's music. Maybe Jackie could change that. But I'm not sure she'd want to; the dark side is unfortunately more interesting than flowers and fluffy bunnies.
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Post by 1 Guest on Aug 14, 2024 23:12:01 GMT -5
It is likely over since her altpop phase isn't capturing anyone's imagination. It would be fun to see her toss a hail Mary pass with a rock band. Rock is the devil's music. Maybe Jackie could change that. But I'm not sure she'd want to; the dark side is unfortunately more interesting than flowers and fluffy bunnies. OMG!!!! Parties are terrible, having a lot of friends is awful, rock bands are awful, you're different, that's for sure.
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Post by Rat Head Soup on Aug 14, 2024 23:19:21 GMT -5
It is likely over since her altpop phase isn't capturing anyone's imagination. It would be fun to see her toss a hail Mary pass with a rock band. Rock is the devil's music. Maybe Jackie could change that. But I'm not sure she'd want to; the dark side is unfortunately more interesting than flowers and fluffy bunnies. Man who damaged you? LOL Jim Morrison, Ozzy Osborn? There are tones of wholesome rock bands out there that inspire people. No reason to be so cynical about an entire (and diverse) genre of music.
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Post by Disappointed on Aug 14, 2024 23:20:00 GMT -5
Than you have no reason to post anymore disappointed! Of course I do, Colty. To bring joy to your life!
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Post by amg1977 on Aug 14, 2024 23:20:52 GMT -5
She was so comfortable that she and/or Parents bought a piano and had that piano in her own house. Lots of people have a piano in their house and have their children take lessons. That doesn't mean they ever get that good at it or can comfortably play it. I have never seen Jackie play the piano at a level that indicate she should do it professionally.
You would if you attended her zoom with GC and SM. So far you don't seem to know either and you did listen to it.
I didnt state pressure and simply saying no is professional conduct. Jackie was pressured into doing a covers album.
You proved my point, shes unprofessional and no you can't rebel as a child. If you are an artist and someone tries to force you into a direction you don't wish to go, you have every right to let them know that isn't happening. We are also talking about the time of Jackie's COT when Grace was not a child. The point I was making is that Jackie was not in a position to do so whereas Grace was in that position
You assumed the implication without facts. I didn't say the implication was fair or even accurate but people will assume a singer who has not written a good quality song cannot do so. Jackie had never been established as a songwriter
I disagree. She had probably 200 million hits more or less and barely had a Top Ten B200 debut. Grace has between 750-800 million streams on Spotify alone. I don't know where you get the 200 million figure when just two of her songs alone add up to more than that. That doesn't include Apple, Amazon, YouTube, etc. Now that is certainly not Billie Eilish territory or even Tate McRae, but for an alt-pop singer not named Billie Eilish, Lorde, or Lana Del Ray, it is very successful - particularly given the lack of output. That 750 million on Spotify comes on roughly 30+ tracks. Grace also has had her songs rerecorded by others and appear in countless books teaching the ukulele.
And you continue to rant: So pointing out your constant whining about the ground rules that have been explained to you dozens of time is ranting. Sure it is.
So what is your problem with you posting on a forum where there are actual fans of your favorite, more than the two or so people? Is it because they don't want an old man in the other forums? I post on more forums than here. I also post on a Discord forum for Grace that has a lot more activity than here. I also post on a Billie Eilish forum occasionally although the people there strike me as just a little too odd. I do not post in any forum that exists strictly as an echo chamber for the most OTT of their fans.
Trolls will always typically find an excuse to trigger what they do. You seem to think anyone with a differing opinion is a troll. That must be a frustrating way to go through life.
Its not really your business to assume what someone wants who you don't know and have no respect for or for her parents and its projection. I didn't bring up the subject but I responded to an existing conversation. I would rather focus on Jackie's new music but if Jackie keeps bringing up her issues in interviews, then people are going to voice their opinions.
Not according to the person who actually runs this place.
You don't have access to her personal life so you don't really know what she does outside social media and it should be that way for everyone. If Jackie is doing all the preparations you constantly assure everyone here is happening plus what's on her social media, she would not have time for anything else.
See this is the real amg, the liberal with the projection.
Why is it your business in the first place what she does with her own personal time? You arent even a fan, you pretend to be a fan just so you could post about this girl who two or three people here are interested in. Two or three people when you could post in a forum with much more than that. But im a Jackie fan and I don't care what she does in her own time, that she doesn't want to share. If this is, as you claim, a place for Jackie haters, then why are you here???
Well it wasnt a bright decision for you to create this account here and for a non-fan to open a forum but not understand the amazon discussions. I do understand the rules here and there is a Jackie only section and I have never once said anything in that section about anyone.
That part is true, but everything else not.
Again citing a theory and you question why I question your credibility. Did Mike not move into Jackie's apartment? Were all those photos of him accompanying her in NYC a part of eveyone's imagination?
Nope. Shes been in therapy. That is not what therapists do - particularly not with something as severe as anorexia. A good therapist attempts to help someone work through their issues but they also want a support network for that person to rely upon and give positive support. Mike did that for the time she had those issues.
You don't know that and are assuming just like you're assuming Columbia paid your favorite ALOT of money. Everyone here knows Mike was with her constantly and I don't blame him in that situation. I am sympathetic as he was in a tough spot and it's hard to know when to let go. Again, I think he's basically a decent guy and he is trying to be a good father. Sometimes you need an outside perspective.
As far as Columbia goes, they didn't pay Grace - Spotify did, VEVO did, Apple did. Columbia was the conduit for that but the label mainly paid for production and took their cut. As much as you try to get around it, we all have a good idea what people get paid once the numbers get significant. Even your own sources verified it, Grace lives in an apartment in a trendy Brooklyn area, wears fashionable clothing, travels, hangs around with wealthy people, and shops to her heart's content despite not doing much of anything for a few years. Let's just say she's not hurting.
Show me the proof. Ive never seen any evidence presented against Mike. It is not normal for a father to be accompanying his 20 something daughter and living in the same apartment with her when he is supposedly married. Given her mental health at the time, I understand why he had to dominate her life for awhile but let's be real - this is not something that would have occurred to someone not with those issues.
Not really. You would not have a favorite without M&L push for Jackie to get on AGT after getting rejected. If there was no ratings, there would be no interest in a 12 year old child singer by the producers. There was a large increase in ratings for Season 11 of AGT and it had nothing to do with Jackie or Grace. It was Simon Cowell's first year on AGT and he had a large following from his years at Ameican Idol. She lucked into being the star of his first season.
Nope. You should have man'd up and asked Lisa when she was around at that time.
I wasn't even following her at the beginning and wasn't aware of the whole family dynamic at the time.
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Post by Disappointed on Aug 14, 2024 23:22:07 GMT -5
Rock is the devil's music. Maybe Jackie could change that. But I'm not sure she'd want to; the dark side is unfortunately more interesting than flowers and fluffy bunnies. OMG!!!! Parties are terrible, having a lot of friends is awful, rock bands are awful, you're different, that's for sure. Actually, he does enjoy a party where people he doesn't like or agree with are stoned to death. Good times!
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Post by The Jackinator on Aug 14, 2024 23:43:00 GMT -5
It is likely over since her altpop phase isn't capturing anyone's imagination. BME 2.0 charted on BB AC. I am going to have concur though with the Guest in the Off Topic thread whos post got deleted, its either that or bath salts or cognitive impairment. Oh c'mon Sims. Solla is a pretty good EP, but a BME peak at #22 on the Adult Contemporary chart isn't going to bring in enough fans to make a difference. She could barely sell any tix for the recent 54 Below shows, if that wasn't obvious. She doesn't show an interest in obtaining training so that she can be a premier classical vocalist, so she's running out of options. Besides Solla, the only significant thing she's really done since 2017 is appear on TMS where she blew her chance to capitalize on that momentum. Solla is not going to rescue her career because she's way behind where she should be right now. Your 13 years of experience are really doing you no good for your judgment.
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Post by The Jackinator on Aug 14, 2024 23:52:29 GMT -5
Rock is the devil's music. Maybe Jackie could change that. But I'm not sure she'd want to; the dark side is unfortunately more interesting than flowers and fluffy bunnies. Man who damaged you? LOL Jim Morrison, Ozzy Osborn? There are tones of wholesome rock bands out there that inspire people. No reason to be so cynical about an entire (and diverse) genre of music. I was a big fan of Boston, REO, Journey, Styx, Kansas, Head East, Supertramp and many more. Their music never inspired me to worship the devil after spending most of my early life listening their music. Kansas has a lot of religious themes in their songs and they helped many young folk to pursue spirituality. The same was true about Jesus Christ Superstar, an album my brother and I had on repeat.
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Post by BOGC on Aug 14, 2024 23:57:33 GMT -5
Rock is the devil's music. Maybe Jackie could change that. But I'm not sure she'd want to; the dark side is unfortunately more interesting than flowers and fluffy bunnies. OMG!!!! Parties are terrible, having a lot of friends is awful, rock bands are awful, you're different, that's for sure. A few really reliable friends are better than a few dozen fair weather friends, and there's probably some rock that isn't awful, and parties are fine as long as they'd meet the approval of your aunt the old nun. 3.2% beer, max; but preferably herbal iced tea, no caffeine, carbs optional (actually some of those can taste decent). And no damn wings (who wants to eat skin and sauce off of bone, not even any meat to speak of there, just fat and carbs), but veggie snacks, and the self-disciplined avoid the dip. I do draw the line at tofu, that's just too foo-foo, and even boring has its limits. I AM kidding a little, I'm not that extreme (and I'll sometimes pig on food much less healthy than that, and beer up around 7-12% has been known to pass my lips in small quantities). But close. More than a dozen people in a room makes me wonder when they're going to turn into a riot; not if I know them all, but definitely if most are strangers. People who want to go to demonstrations because they think it'd be fun (not like they even care about whatever it's about) make my head hurt, that sort of thing really CAN be a riot waiting to happen. And yes, I've encountered such crazies, in places where one would have thought they'd have been screened out. IMO, the probability of a gathering turning into an unruly mob goes up with the square of the number of people present, almost regardless of how nice they are individually.
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Post by The Jackinator on Aug 15, 2024 0:03:11 GMT -5
I'm curious to know what you and everyone else who feels that way thinks different management could have done differently. She was a little kid who sang arias and admitted herself that she didn't have a pop voice. So many very young singers have entered talent shows and a lot of them were really, really good, but most have gone nowhere so I don't know that anyone could have taken Jackie any further. Jackie fans think that all Jackie needs is some super agent or super songwriter who will wonders with her career. These fans don't seem to understand that agents and songwriters make money by taking a cut of the singer's income. Why would a super agent or songwriter work with Jackie when they could make much more money working with a singing star? Makes sense. What complicates things now is that even if she was able to bring in some super talented producer/songwriter, what kind of music would be produced? Most likely not classical crossover since that genre has a limited audience. A full album of altpop songs? Solla would have to have been much more successful in order to attract a super talented producer/songwriter.
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Post by BOGC on Aug 15, 2024 0:05:04 GMT -5
Man who damaged you? LOL Jim Morrison, Ozzy Osborn? There are tones of wholesome rock bands out there that inspire people. No reason to be so cynical about an entire (and diverse) genre of music. I was a big fan of Boston, REO, Journey, Styx, Kansas, Head East, Supertramp and many more. Their music never inspired me to worship the devil after spending most of my early life listening their music. Kansas has a lot of religious themes in their songs and they helped many young folk to pursue spirituality. The same was true about Jesus Christ Superstar, an album my brother and I had on repeat. Y'all don't get exaggerating, do you? I don't hate on rock that tells a story with lyrics you can understand and wouldn't be ashamed to tell your parents or grandparents about, and isn't discordant and noisy. Most of those you named are fine (I have seen claims REO is demonic, but I don't think them reasonable), and tell stories. Esp. Kansas did. I like ballads with a big sound like that...but I probably like folk better, most of the time.
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