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Post by donkey on Aug 20, 2024 9:51:36 GMT -5
Question if I may .... how many posters are still here ? 5 ? Jackie M Evancho as a career is RIP . Pretty much. Its late August, and she released a EP this year. How many concerts has she had? One in a TX church in April, and two nights in NYC in late June in a small, not for profit restaurant that wasn't even close to sold out. I'd say she's pretty much done in reality. Sure, she has a couple of small gigs in Nov/Dec that aren't being widely advertised at all, but that doesn't change much. One gig is at another college, and the other isnt even her show...she's just one of several singer involved. While it's better than nothing, it ain't much. RIP Jackie's career. It was fun while it lasted. I still hope to attend one of your future small events though.
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Post by colt46 on Aug 20, 2024 10:01:26 GMT -5
I don’t believe Jackie’s career is over!
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Post by colt46 on Aug 20, 2024 10:04:29 GMT -5
I think Jackie would be surprised to her career is over, nobody told her about it !
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Post by 1 Guest on Aug 20, 2024 10:32:40 GMT -5
I think Jackie would be surprised to her career is over, nobody told her about it ! If anyone is fully aware of where her career stands, it's Jackie.
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Post by donkey on Aug 20, 2024 10:44:36 GMT -5
I don’t believe Jackie’s career is over! What's your evidence to the contrary?
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Post by Guest 9 on Aug 20, 2024 10:55:08 GMT -5
I don’t believe Jackie’s career is over! Thee eyes are open yet ....thee can not see .
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Post by 5 Guest on Aug 20, 2024 10:59:43 GMT -5
Question if I may .... how many posters are still here ? 5 ? Jackie M Evancho as a career is RIP . Pretty much. Its late August, and she released a EP this year. How many concerts has she had? One in a TX church in April, and two nights in NYC in late June in a small, not for profit restaurant that wasn't even close to sold out. I'd say she's pretty much done in reality. Sure, she has a couple of small gigs in Nov/Dec that aren't being widely advertised at all, but that doesn't change much. One gig is at another college, and the other isnt even her show...she's just one of several singer involved. While it's better than nothing, it ain't much. RIP Jackie's career. It was fun while it lasted. I still hope to attend one of your future small events though. Than you donk , I agree an yes it is 86 % constant as the last 8 years or so .
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Post by ChrisR on Aug 20, 2024 12:18:43 GMT -5
Question if I may .... how many posters are still here ? 5 ? Jackie M Evancho as a career is RIP . Pretty much. Its late August, and she released a EP this year. How many concerts has she had? One in a TX church in April, and two nights in NYC in late June in a small, not for profit restaurant that wasn't even close to sold out. I'd say she's pretty much done in reality. Sure, she has a couple of small gigs in Nov/Dec that aren't being widely advertised at all, but that doesn't change much. One gig is at another college, and the other isnt even her show...she's just one of several singer involved. While it's better than nothing, it ain't much. RIP Jackie's career. It was fun while it lasted. I still hope to attend one of your future small events though. JE's career is having some problems at the moment to say the least. Hopefully for her sake she will be able to still turn things around, but right now, not looking so good at all.
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Post by colt46 on Aug 20, 2024 12:47:39 GMT -5
Jackie will perform period, you show me we’re Jackie says I quit!
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Post by colt46 on Aug 20, 2024 12:48:54 GMT -5
Those who aren’t Jackie fans are giving up on her!
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Post by Career Advice on Aug 20, 2024 12:51:02 GMT -5
Marry a rich guy. Make sandwiches. Look pretty.
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Post by The Jackinator on Aug 20, 2024 12:51:15 GMT -5
You have a habit of replacing the actual context with one you think supports your position (msims note: its called quoting), but, unfortunately for you, everyone can go back to my original posts and see the real context. This was my discussion of Jackie being proficient at bass and how I never had seen her that proficient on an instrument previously. Furthermore, I never stated proficiency on an instrument was important for a vocalist - I stated it was important as a songwriter. The fact that you can blatantly misrepresent the context of the conversation demonstrates how desperate are your delusions. "everyone can go back to my original posts" you should have then explained: you click on the time stamp but you didn't say this is how you find my op or go to: jackie-amazon.proboards.com/post/91098/threadThe very nefarious thing I am guilty of is: highlight words you said as theres a box that says Quick Quote, anyone who is registered can use that feature.
If you have a problem with the Quick Quote or your posts being quoted, you should take it up the real Admin of this forum: Using the Quick Quote feature to complain about anyone and everyone is the only skill you've mastered in your 13 years of experience. Bravo!
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Post by donkey on Aug 20, 2024 13:03:59 GMT -5
Those who aren’t Jackie fans are giving up on her! I'm not giving up on her...facts are facts. I'll always enjoy her music and support her. Too bad I am becoming an endangered species in that respect.
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Post by msims on Aug 20, 2024 13:11:19 GMT -5
Those who aren’t Jackie fans are giving up on her! I'm not giving up on her...facts are facts. I'll always enjoy her music and support her. Too bad I am becoming an endangered species in that respect. You gave up on her years ago though because of your liberal leanings, you'll believe any hearsay any rumor anything that is negative that is not based in fact. You conveniently earlier did not mention that the Nov concert has nearly 300 seats sold nearly 80% sold, as mentioned in the op. And by the end of august there hopefully is more dates announced.
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Post by amg1977 on Aug 20, 2024 13:33:28 GMT -5
You have a habit of replacing the actual context with one you think supports your position (msims note: its called quoting), but, unfortunately for you, everyone can go back to my original posts and see the real context. This was my discussion of Jackie being proficient at bass and how I never had seen her that proficient on an instrument previously. Furthermore, I never stated proficiency on an instrument was important for a vocalist - I stated it was important as a songwriter. The fact that you can blatantly misrepresent the context of the conversation demonstrates how desperate are your delusions. "everyone can go back to my original posts" you should have then explained: you click on the time stamp but you didn't say this is how you find my op or go to: jackie-amazon.proboards.com/post/91098/threadThe very nefarious thing I am guilty of is: highlight words you said as theres a box that says Quick Quote, anyone who is registered can use that feature. If you have a problem with the Quick Quote or your posts being quoted, you should take it up the real Admin of this forum: I did not see the Zoom you mentioned so how could I be projecting by pointing out I did not know what she said at that live and you did and still provided no more information than what I did? Theres alot everyone doesn't know because as shes admitted she just wasnt good at social media for a number of years and ill tell you: her communication with fans neither. It also doesn't help that the interviewers ask her the same questions and her answers tend to be generic, so we only get bits and pieces. So you probably wouldn't know if she has practiced the piano anyway or any instrument so I was surprised when Greg said that played instruments on Solla. Specifically what I don't recall, I didn't record it and neither did donkey. Jackie never expressed any previous interest in Joni Mitchell See above. Molin gave an interview discussed on this board about how much he disliked singers with no track record of songwriting thinking they could write their own songs. Did he mention Jackie or was he being passive aggressive? Why work with Jackie then? We all know Jackie is not a confrontational person and was going through a rough period of her life. She simply was not someone who was capable of standing up for herself. She said she used to be that way. As an adult dealing with producers, she must had to have learned something over the years. Look at the evidence. Lisa said over the years that she had written "all these amazing songs." Jackie herself said she had been writing all along. Are you going to tell me she didn't have at least a few songs to use and they couldn't come with some professional songwriters IN NASHVILLE to get in a room with Jackie and come up with more? One of the songs from Solla was written years ago according to Jackie. I'm not buying it. This was Mollin's idea and Jackie was not in any emotional shape to fight for what was promised to her. There is a more simple boring explanation. After TMS at the end of the year she released River, one song. Her social media numbers increased but then around that time Lisa made that famous rant. We are now in 2022 and she doesn't seem to have a full albums worth of original material that was finished (Consequences she wrote when she was 15) and like you said whether Fred was comfortable or not (I didn't realize he was in any position of power you didn't remind me of that in your OP). But im sure he had other projects to move on to. What is rarely taken into consideration is that musicians have other opportunities and projects they have as well and only so much time to dedicate to one project. Greg is still touring with his band. It seems they had to compromise on an album of covers as a cover album takes little time to record and release and have something out there to tour on. That is the typical CC thing. This was verified by your own sources such as Greg Camp so I don't know why you keep insisting otherwise other than willful ignorance. I know. A major label could also with hold money from going to the artist for any reason under the sun. This clip is time stamped where The Black Keys goes on to explain that they were only given a small portion of the money owed to them by their label (and they talked to the spotify ceo):
If you have a problem with the Quick Quote or your posts being quoted ...
I have no problem with you using quick quote or me being quoted. The problem is that you completely misrepresent the context. You stated that Jackie didn't need to be proficient at an instrument as a singer when I never she did. I stated it was important to be proficient at an instrument to be a songwriter. If you want to argue against that point, be my guest.
Did he mention Jackie or was he being passive aggressive? Why work with Jackie then?
The whole outburst was strange and obviously passive aggressive. The interviewer didn't really aim for such a reply and was just asking general questions about the recording process. He just offered this off the cuff opinion. Given others at the label either had a songwriting track record or were primarily singers of standards, there was only one person to whom this might apply. Jackie was the only artist there who didn't have a track record of originals AND wanted to record originals. Like I said, I do not blame Jackie one bit for putting any questions behind her with a new backstory. The others at MP have been very supportive and probably had no real clue what may have been going on. The fact that Mollin left so abruptly is indicative that it was not exactly his choice.
She said she used to be that way. As an adult dealing with producers, she must had to have learned something over the years.
In order for COT to be pressed for a physical album release in September 2022, the final touches were likely done by spring 2022 if not earlier. The earliest recordings would have been in late 2020 since "River" was released shortly thereafter. The decision to do a full Joni cover album had to be in place in 2021. Jackie was not in a good place at that time and Mollin was in charge at MP. Given everything else going on in her life at the time, this just was not a hill she wanted to die on at the time. If it had happened while she was in a good frame of mind, it might have been different. This wasn't a criticism of Jackie - just a comment on the reality of her situation.
I know. A major label could also with hold money from going to the artist for any reason under the sun. This clip is time stamped where The Black Keys goes on to explain that they were only given a small portion of the money owed to them by their label (and they talked to the spotify ceo): [youtube video]
The last four albums (Let's Rock through Ohio Players) was though Easy Eye Records which the Black Keys own and I will assume they are not ripping off themselves. Their final album prior to their own label was released in 2014 - before streaming became dominant and long before the current contract with major labels was in place. At that point in time, the music industry was collapsing because of piracy and there was all kinds of "creative bookkeeping" going on. The labels had traditionally controlled everything from recording to production to promotion to pressing albums. When things were going well, pop stars could make millions and labels could make billions. Once things went sour, things got really down and dirty and the labels suckered a lot of young bands desperate for a break into bad contracts. One of the reasons for the streaming services wanting a contract that outlines the payment structure was to cover their own butts legally. The terms were that the artist would received 16% of what went to the label but the artist also could reject it and withhold their material from release. Taylor Swift initially exercised that option as have a number of other artists for political reasons. The problem is that the terms of when that money goes to the artist is subject to the artist's own contract with the label. This is one of the reasons you need professional representation.
In the case of the Black Keys, the situation is worse since they are not under the current contract as the release occurred many years prior and the record company could interpret it their way and the artist their way and they end up going to court where the judge has the final say whose right. But this situation has nothing to do with the current one since there was no contract in place for streaming then as it was not a factor.
This is another case where you keep trying to search the web desperate for some support of a position in opposition to reality. It is ironic that you and Disappointed both want to latch on to such arguments but for opposite reasons. You because you cannot accept the possibility some other young female singer may be making a better living at the moment than Jackie while Disappointed cannot accept that Jackie could be making a living at all.
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