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Post by amg1977 on Aug 24, 2024 11:42:56 GMT -5
That is the reason why I made a post that Jackie could make a decent living on past streaming totals if she could get her monthly streams to 500K per month. Jackie is heading in the wrong direction. There is no realistic way she will ever get to 500k. Jackie almost made it to 160k monthly spotify listeners at the peak of her new album. Now she is down to 102,398 monthly listeners. Even if we are talking streaming across all platforms, Spotify is by far the largest. It takes Jackie much longer to come out with a new album than anyone else. I doubt that she has enough money to make decent music videos and her social media number are much lower then before she came out with Behind My Eyes. This poor little me attitude she is trying to portray is not working and is having the opposite effect by turning people off. People would rather visit someone's site that are cheerful and always doing something.
I need to point out I did not say Jackie needed to have 500,000 monthly listeners but 500,000 monthly streams. If you had 170,000 monthly listeners with each listening to an average of three songs a month, that would put her at 510,000 that month. It would only take getting on a decently sized Spotify playlist to inflate the streaming numbers considerably. I don't think reaching that goal is out of the question. There are lots of artists who streamed less than Jackie and managed to reach that goal. The only caveat in all this is that I have no idea of her current financial situation and don't pretend to know. If she has a decent amount left from her early success, it wouldn't take much for her to live comfortably.
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Post by johnnyb on Aug 24, 2024 12:39:22 GMT -5
Well I guess she doesn’t give a crap about her website or just cutting back on expenses, whatever it doesn’t look good::
jackieevancho.com is parked free, courtesy of GoDaddy.com.
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Post by donkey on Aug 24, 2024 12:48:08 GMT -5
Well I guess she doesn’t give a crap about her website or just cutting back on expenses, whatever it doesn’t look good:: jackieevancho.com is parked free, courtesy of GoDaddy.com. My best guess is that since she has always taken forever to update the concert schedule on that website, and since it's been parked for so long, she probably hardly gets any traffic on it and figures who will notice anyway. I think that aside from doing the rare concert/show based on her legacy AGT fame, Jackie knows it's probably all over for her. The new EP didn't do any better that the last few albums for her, mabye worse. At least COT has a tour, albeit a very, very short tour. I unfortunately foresee this 4-5 shows a year in small venues (centered around cc music) as her new normal. She might crank out an original single once in a while, but to no commercial effect. I'm not hating on Jackie at all, just calling it as I see it based years years of evidence to date. If something clicks for her somewhere down the road and gives her small, temporary career boost, I'm still here for it though. lol
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Post by Raleigh Coupons on Aug 24, 2024 13:47:57 GMT -5
Her brand is pretty much toast.
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Post by colt46 on Aug 24, 2024 13:57:43 GMT -5
I don’t think Jackie is toast not at 24 years old I don’t, a person keeps plugging along and doin’t give up! Don’t care what your so called fans think and have given up on you ! What helps to motivate you is your distractors who think you are done ! Go Jackie go, I think with a voice like yours comebacks are always possible!
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Post by johnnyb on Aug 24, 2024 15:18:28 GMT -5
Well I guess she doesn’t give a crap about her website or just cutting back on expenses, whatever it doesn’t look good:: jackieevancho.com is parked free, courtesy of GoDaddy.com. My best guess is that since she has always taken forever to update the concert schedule on that website, and since it's been parked for so long, she probably hardly gets any traffic on it and figures who will notice anyway. I think that aside from doing the rare concert/show based on her legacy AGT fame, Jackie knows it's probably all over for her. The new EP didn't do any better that the last few albums for her, mabye worse. At least COT has a tour, albeit a very, very short tour. I unfortunately foresee this 4-5 shows a year in small venues (centered around cc music) as her new normal. She might crank out an original single once in a while, but to no commercial effect. I'm not hating on Jackie at all, just calling it as I see it based years years of evidence to date. If something clicks for her somewhere down the road and gives her small, temporary career boost, I'm still here for it though. lol It’s not over until the fat lady sings, ohhh no can Disappointment sing. 😬
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Post by Socal Fan on Aug 24, 2024 15:18:38 GMT -5
it is all about songwriting. I agree with him - songwriters do get screwed over. anyone with a significant following is making good money on Spotify as artists. Those who are primarily songwriters get screwed because few songs are streamed because of who wrote it. I don't think that songwriters are being screwed at all. Popular artists make big bucks because they are the ones who bring in the customers. As you point out, very few customers stream songs because they are attracted by the songwriters. Most customers stream songs because they are attracted by the artists. So songwriters are not being screwed, they are simply being compensated commensurate with the numbers of customers they attract. Songwriters can complain all they want but showbiz is a business and songwriters will not be paid as much as artists unless they can attract as many customers as artists do.
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Post by BOGC on Aug 24, 2024 15:40:20 GMT -5
Well I guess she doesn’t give a crap about her website or just cutting back on expenses, whatever it doesn’t look good:: jackieevancho.com is parked free, courtesy of GoDaddy.com. Been that way for a few weeks. The domain doesn't expire until next year, so presumably the web hosting did. Most often that's due to credit card info not being updated. Fair chance they'll rebuild it when they get to it. But I _think_ the only one of them who knew how to do that themselves (using free tools available via the web hosting provider) might have been Lisa, and she's apparently out of the loop, so it may not get fixed quickly.
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Post by BOGC on Aug 24, 2024 15:42:18 GMT -5
it is all about songwriting. I agree with him - songwriters do get screwed over. anyone with a significant following is making good money on Spotify as artists. Those who are primarily songwriters get screwed because few songs are streamed because of who wrote it. I don't think that songwriters are being screwed at all. Popular artists make big bucks because they are the ones who bring in the customers. As you point out, very few customers stream songs because they are attracted by the songwriters. Most customers stream songs because they are attracted by the artists. So songwriters are not being screwed, they are simply being compensated commensurate with the numbers of customers they attract. Songwriters can complain all they want but showbiz is a business and songwriters will not be paid as much as artists unless they can attract as many customers as artists do. And yet you're one that argues the appeal of singer/songwriters.
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Post by Socal Fan on Aug 24, 2024 15:50:59 GMT -5
And yet you're one that argues the appeal of singer/songwriters. There is a big difference between songwriters and singer-songwriters.
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Post by richard on Aug 24, 2024 16:11:33 GMT -5
The song writers make deals with the artist. Not sure how streaming would even come into play. I would imagine they get paid by how well the singer does. But any real deals would be made between the artist and the writer.
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Post by BOGC on Aug 24, 2024 17:31:38 GMT -5
And yet you're one that argues the appeal of singer/songwriters. There is a big difference between songwriters and singer-songwriters. Yes. Without songwriters, the singers that are not themselves songwriters would have nothing new to sing.
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Post by amg1977 on Aug 24, 2024 17:32:11 GMT -5
The song writers make deals with the artist. Not sure how streaming would even come into play. I would imagine they get paid by how well the singer does. But any real deals would be made between the artist and the writer. Songwriters get paid per stream. They get paid roughly half of what the artist makes. However, they get less than that when the artist and/or producer get writing credits - sonetimes when they contributed nothing to the song. The big names (e.g., Max Martin) can get around this by charging upfront money to produce the songs they write.
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Post by 1 Guest on Aug 24, 2024 17:33:00 GMT -5
The song writers make deals with the artist. Not sure how streaming would even come into play. I would imagine they get paid by how well the singer does. But any real deals would be made between the artist and the writer. Songwriters always got a cut of the profits if someone covered their songs that were so old they were already in the public domain. So I'd think that Jackie had to pay Judy Collins for the songs of COT because I doubt there were in the public domain already. And if any of Jackie's COT songs got airplay, Judy would have been paid for each spin, not Jackie. So songwriters can do pretty good when people cover their songs.
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Post by BOGC on Aug 24, 2024 18:17:20 GMT -5
The song writers make deals with the artist. Not sure how streaming would even come into play. I would imagine they get paid by how well the singer does. But any real deals would be made between the artist and the writer. Songwriters always got a cut of the profits if someone covered their songs that were so old they were already in the public domain. So I'd think that Jackie had to pay Judy Collins for the songs of COT because I doubt there were in the public domain already. And if any of Jackie's COT songs got airplay, Judy would have been paid for each spin, not Jackie. So songwriters can do pretty good when people cover their songs. CoT was a cover of Joni Mitchell songs. Judy Collins did release a version of Joni's perhaps most famous song Both Sides Now, before Joni herself did.
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