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Post by donkey on Sept 7, 2024 17:25:04 GMT -5
You should watch Emily Bear on Influenced .Episode 5 on Amazon…and she explains it.. when asked what she thought being called prodigy as a child..she responded that she absolutely hated it…and that one of her biggest fears were..that her career would fiddle out at the age of 18…because most kids in this buble (Jackie Evancho ) try to play it safe..but learning, expanding the talent, abilities is the key …it seems Quincy Jones was a great mentor Jackie Evancho always played it safe..for 14 years now..she never tried really something new, learned new things..still the same amateurish CC fake aria songs I mentioned Emily Bear a long time ago as it does not do anyone any favors by calling them a child prodigy. It suggest that they don't have to work at it, that it just comes naturally. Emily Bear put a lot of time in training to get where she is. Jackie pretty well just thought that title would entitle her to be a star. Of course child prodigy is just a made up title usually by people that have no ideal what they are talking about. Emily had the natural ability to be a great pianist at a young age but she still put in the time to become one. That's what a child prodigy is...a lot of it does come naturally at a very early age. That doesn't mean they don't have to work at it of course, but the progress they make is leaps and bounds over what normal kids can make. So it seems a bit odd to me that she didnt like being called a word that was an accurate description of what she was. A child prodigy is a person who develops a skill or set of skills at a level that is beyond what is typically expected for their age. The term is often used to describe someone who is under the age of 10 and performs at the level of an adult expert in a particular area.
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Post by msims on Sept 7, 2024 17:50:12 GMT -5
fans used to say that CC was more widely appreciated in certain areas of Europe and Asia, and that Jackie should have taken advantage of that more than she already did. I believe those fans are mistaken. CC has long been a dying genre worldwide. CC fans will claim that the Three Tenors temporarily revived the popularity of CC but I believe what was popular was the Three Tenors and not the CC genre. And the Three Tenors gave their last concert in 2003, more than two decades ago. Proof that CC is dying worldwide: there is no new generation of CC stars anywhere in the world. The old generation is still around - Bocelli, Rieu, Brightman but CC will die with them and their geriatric fans. There are young CC singer like Katherine Jenkins and the Italian tenor groups but they are nowhere near the stature or popularity of the old stars. You are already in the liquor cabinet and thats after telling Rickky his theory was reasonable (when it is the opposite and you know this: Jackie was offered and took a paying gig. Christina came along with J&M and joined a photo shoot unrelated to the Jackie gig. Christina's a photographer she has connections so thats not hard for her. Btw this is the same guy who said that Christina paid for Jackie's hotel room during TMS when the show would have paid): "CC has long been a dying genre worldwide." "Proof that CC is dying worldwide: there is no new generation of CC stars anywhere in the world. The old generation is still around - Bocelli, Rieu, Brightman but CC will die with them and their geriatric fans." You just disproved your own argument by citing the legacy artists who kept the genre alive. CC music is a blissful and lucrative. Its a combination of different genres with or without an orchestra, perhaps just an instrument or two. Its continued success because I think youtube, as well as shows like Americas Got Talent. You and Rickky only seem to follow 20 more or less something year olds and and the way they listen to music which is spotify. Spotify is aimed at a younger demo, that is not the CC demo and 20 year olds with the exception of one naturally talented singer in Jackie, the rest are not bright. (You went off topic and mentioned Jenna (in a response to me) who unlike Jackie's Parents her Mother who managed her as a child let her use social media as a child and Jenna received an inappropriate pic from an adult male, which is a crime.) How 20 year olds consume music is unrelated to CC which is based on the VOICE or the instruments alone or accompanied by a beautiful voice. So that being said, it would be very much a good idea for Jackie to explore other markets worldwide and it would most certainly increase her followers count.
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Post by msims on Sept 7, 2024 17:52:30 GMT -5
How many singers have a 14 year career! How many one hit wonders have we had in music? Is it the new pop star career she was hoping for Putting words in her mouth. Artists write material, whether it finds any success or not in this day and age is not what drives most good artists. Behind My Eyes actually did quite well at radio and in stores btw. So id say it was successful.
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Post by msims on Sept 7, 2024 19:42:20 GMT -5
Thanks, I have been keeping track of Jackie's Spotify streaming counts as well. A possible omission from your spreadsheet: Spotify lists 2 versions of Apocalypse, one released as part of 2H and another released as a single on Apr 22 2016. These are two different versions as they have different run times and different streaming counts. Your spreadsheet includes the former version but not the latter. Thanks. I did notice it and meant to add it later but forgot. I will add it when I update it. The spreadsheet is set up so when you update the streams for a song, the totals will update as well. I also kept the solo stuff separate from those with guest appearances for those who want to calculate an approximate streaming income. Guest appearances could be either a flat fee (where Jackie would get all future royalties) or with some split of future royalties. The solo material would have all artist royalties go to Jackie. The others you could set a range from half to all of the royalties.
In a prior post you were arguing for smoking or whatever your rationale was (in the long term it perhaps played quite a factor in costing the voices of Jon Bon Jovi and Steven Tyler) and you mentioned Paul, John, George. However in this post you bring up royalties. "Paul McCartney and John Lennon did not receive a single penny of their compositional royalties for nearly 50 years ." McCartney had to fight for the royalties back for 50 years. Its probably the most famous story of legends having bad management.
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Post by msims on Sept 7, 2024 20:31:08 GMT -5
According to ghost: 818 Tickets sold for the December 3rd concert. 715 Tickets sold for the December 4th concert.
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Post by richard on Sept 7, 2024 21:42:40 GMT -5
(You went off topic and mentioned Jenna (in a response to me) who unlike Jackie's Parents her Mother who managed her as a child let her use social media as a child and Jenna received an inappropriate pic from an adult male, which is a crime.) Jenna Ortega on Jimmy Kimmel Live: The actress also said her parents have "no interest whatsoever" in the entertainment industry. She continued, "I could come home from work with cool people, prominent people, people I looked up to, and they weren’t interested. They were like, ‘Hey, you didn’t do the dishes before you left, so you’re going to have to do them all week.' Natalie (Jenna's Mom) is an emergency room nurse, and Edward is a businessman. "So, four or five times a week, my mom was a full-time ER nurse, but she would drive me — it was a six or seven-hour round trip L.A. and back for auditions ... and she has five other kids," Jenna said on Jimmy Kimmel Live! “She was one of the best ones, too.” Jenna is one of 6 children and they did not take her money from her. Isaac, was born in 1998, followed by Mariah in 1999, and Mia in 2000. Jenna was born in 2002, and her younger twin siblings Aliyah and Markus were born in 2004. Don't tell us how the Evancho's were right in handeling Jackie's social media and Jenna's parents were wrong.
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Post by amg1977 on Sept 7, 2024 22:08:54 GMT -5
In a prior post you were arguing for smoking or whatever your rationale was (in the long term it perhaps played quite a factor in costing the voices of Jon Bon Jovi and Steven Tyler) and you mentioned Paul, John, George. However in this post you bring up royalties. "Paul McCartney and John Lennon did not receive a single penny of their compositional royalties for nearly 50 years ." McCartney had to fight for the royalties back for 50 years. Its probably the most famous story of legends having bad management.
First of all, I wasn't arguing for smoking. I don't smoke and I don't encourage anyone else to start. What I addressed was any effect smoking would have on the voice and their career. I pointed out that it probably has far more of an effect upon a classical singer where the performances are often of a standard repertoire with a past history setting expectations. This simply does not exist within popular music where individual idiosyncrasies are not only expected but encouraged. I also pointed out that many pop singers smoked for decades with no noticeable deterioration of their voice. I would imagine some people are more prone to be affected than others just like with any other bad habit.
As far as the Lennon-McCartney issue is concerned, I am assuming you are referring to this article where the author is a bit confused and freely interchanges publishing royalties and compositional royalties. He apparently thinks they are the same thing when they are quite separate. Lennon and McCartney most certainly did received songwriting royalties (as well as their recording artist royalties) for all their songs and continue to do so. What they did not receive was the publishing royalties that go to the corporation that owns the publishing rights. Both publisher and songwriter get paid but they do so separately. The publisher is the one who has the right to determine whether a song can, for example, be used in a commercial or movie (the advertiser must also get recording rights if they plan to use a previously recorded version of the song). But the songwriters still get paid. The Beatles had at one point sold their publishing but later there was a 50 year limit which McCartney exercised. Whoever wrote the article obviously did not understand the differences between songwriter royalties and publishing royalties and used them interchangeably when they are not the same.
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Post by richard on Sept 7, 2024 23:08:59 GMT -5
Jackie can't do a single gig in India without daddy along. She could never handle gigs like Jenna Ortega that required her to work in Romania for 8 months without any family members along, and this was a few years back now and Jenna is way younger than Jackie. I wonder if Jackie will ever really grow up.
For how many years did we hear this BS that Jackie needed a parent along because of her age when you only really need someone designated as a guardian. But what is her excuse now that she is 24 1/2 years old that she has to have Daddy along with her all the time.
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Post by donkey on Sept 7, 2024 23:16:09 GMT -5
Jackie can't do a single gig in India without daddy along. She could never handle gigs like Jenna Ortega that required her to work in Romania for 8 months without any family members along, and this was a few years back now and Jenna is way younger than Jackie. I wonder if Jackie will ever really grow up. Little 5'1" Jackie in India? Yeah, I feel much better with dad along. He's like her bodyguard.
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Post by richard on Sept 8, 2024 1:07:05 GMT -5
Jackie can't do a single gig in India without daddy along. She could never handle gigs like Jenna Ortega that required her to work in Romania for 8 months without any family members along, and this was a few years back now and Jenna is way younger than Jackie. I wonder if Jackie will ever really grow up. Little 5'1" Jackie in India? Yeah, I feel much better with dad along. He's like her bodyguard. And Jenna is smaller than Jackie and few years younger. Maddie Ziegler is even younger than Jenna Ortega and she is filming in Budapest now, Maddie moved out on her own when she was 14 from Pittsburgh to LA. and at 14 she would take frequent flights on her own to different parts of the world sometimes flying to Australia to see her boyfriend taking vacation with her friends or even flying to Atlanta Georgia for a sleepover at Millie Bobby Brown's home. Jackie seems to be about 14 years old mentally. Seems one thing all the young artist that are doing well as an adult artist has one thing in common and that is they all seem very independent. I think that is what they like most about doing what they do is because of the independence it gives them that they can just up and go where they want with who they want when they want.
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Post by Mahatma Moida on Sept 8, 2024 1:29:11 GMT -5
Jackie can't do a single gig in India without daddy along. She could never handle gigs like Jenna Ortega that required her to work in Romania for 8 months without any family members along, and this was a few years back now and Jenna is way younger than Jackie. I wonder if Jackie will ever really grow up. Little 5'1" Jackie in India? Yeah, I feel much better with dad along. He's like her bodyguard. Crime stats are lower in India than in the U.S., with one exception: They love their murders for some reason – three times more than in the U.S. However rape is four times greater in the U.S. than in India. I've never been there but everyone I know who has been there says they felt safer there than here, including women traveling alone. Crime rates are often skewed by abnormal stats within or between certain sectors that may or may not spill over onto tourists. I've always felt safe in Mexico for example, but lately I'm not so sure.
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Post by April8 on Sept 8, 2024 5:57:13 GMT -5
Crime stats are lower in India than in the U.S., with one exception: They love their murders for some reason – three times more than in the U.S. However rape is four times greater in the U.S. than in India. I've never been there but everyone I know who has been there says they felt safer there than here, including women traveling alone. Crime rates are often skewed by abnormal stats within or between certain sectors that may or may not spill over onto tourists. I've always felt safe in Mexico for example, but lately I'm not so sure. I have been to Mumbai. Language barriers are more significant than in Western Europe for sure. Not as bad as China from my experience there. Police presence in Communist China certainly makes it feel safe there. Traffic is…as my Indian friend said, the lanes are merely suggestions in Bombay (kids who moved here before renaming still call it Bombay), and traffic is similar in Beijing too; there will be 7 lanes on a road, and somehow 12 lanes of weaving cars/trucks and motorbikes everywhere weaving even more. Chaotic. The host of this event probably arranged hotel and transportation. Private drivers are easily secured and cheap. Heck, household help often lives in the hallways outside the homes in Mumbai. Caste system remnants I guess.
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Post by colt46 on Sept 8, 2024 7:47:52 GMT -5
I blame Jackie’s father, the way he raised her made her dependent on him !
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Post by colt46 on Sept 8, 2024 7:52:06 GMT -5
Jackie is a very timid person, doesn’t do well with those in her age range! Good parenting would have given her the tools necessary to be able to interact with her peers! Mike wanted Jackie to always be dependent on him, he did her a major disservice in the way he raised her!
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Post by April8 on Sept 8, 2024 8:19:41 GMT -5
Think it was Lisa, Colt. :-(
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