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Post by donkey on Sept 8, 2024 19:51:31 GMT -5
You are entirely misinformed. For a star to work in the music business: they have to have someone around them who helps with the business that they trust. Removing Mike from the situation means she has no one looking out for her best interests and helping her. Ill give you the FACTS that no one else could other than BOGC could give as NO ONE else was here in the early days: M&L's parenting was to protect Jackie and keep her from being overworked as a childSo lets further un-brainwash you. Everyone knows the story of Michael Jackson and its true unless they are like a Susan Boyle and become famous at a much older age: when someone becomes famous they become stunted at the age they became famous. Famous people tend to get alot of attention, some of it is not wanted. They could tend to not be so trustful of others because others could want to get something out of them such as fame and/or money. Lisa has not been involved in Jackie's career in almost a decade but Rickky's favorite lesbian JoJo has always been managed by her Mother. Again you have to understand that trolls project onto Jackie what their other moppets are doing, same as liberals.Jackie's Parents didn't do everything perfectly BUT they didn't let her get exposed to a predator online at age 12 or in the case of Rickky's other favorite Maddie let her come into possible contact with Harvey Weinstein (Quote from reddit: "Sia claimed that she stopped Maddie from getting on a plane with Harvey and she begged Melissa to not let her go on.". Alot of your false information comes from Rickky, Rickky is not a source of information about Jackie's Parents. You have been manipulated by trolls on here and you seem like an older person, so im not okay with that. It's a fact that I've been around before any of the pretenders here that call themselves fans in this forum. My 24 years of experience includes the time that I was in the clinic with Lisa Evancho, letting her know of the ultrasound results when little Jackie was in the womb. Together, we stood in awe as we could hear Jackie singing, "O Mio Babbino Caro" only 7 months into Lisa's pregnancy. Sims was not in the delivery room, so that means I have 11 more years of experience following Jackie's career than he does. NO ONE here was around in those early days, which makes me the most authoritative and knowledgeable fan in the forum. How was her singing in the womb? |
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Post by richard on Sept 8, 2024 20:02:59 GMT -5
No artist I know of has near the mental or physical problems Jackie has. Jackie's parents should have seen what was happening to her long before it got to the point it is now. Why are you only comparing her to other artists? Millions of teen girls and young woman have had Jackies mental and health issues, and most of them weren't artists. Since most artists her age don't have these problems, perhaps it doesn't stem from being an artist at all, in which case, why would we compare her to other artists when talking about mental and physical health? And I don't buy that the primary reason for eating disorders, or anxiety, or depression, or a host of other mental illnesses is necessarily the result of "bad parenting"...that a direct cause-effect relationship has been established there. If you know of valid studies done that have demonstrated this to be the case, feel free to share. I am open to being educated on the subject. It's always easy to say, "the parents should have seen it coming", in hindsight. But that's probably quite unfair, especially considering Jackie did as most people with eating disorders do....do their best to hide it. And most parents aren't familiar with eating disorders and don't know what to look for, and even if they did, they likely wouldn't have been looking for it in Jackie if they had no reason to suspect such a thing. And by the way, the family did notice something was wrong at some point, and long before it got to a life threatening state. There are a few people here that recognized Jackie was having problem. I mentioned Jackie's mental state years ago when she showed a drawing she made around Christmas time of a cut wrist with blood spilling out. There were also several pictures of her very very skinny. Being a celebrity does make a difference. First they are working around other people that would notice something wrong. Second they should have the money to get the help they need. Maybe if Jackie had some friends her parents would notice that Jackie looks years behind her peers in development.
Unlike other girls Jackie's age her parents were with her 24/7. It would have been much harder for Jackie to hide something than others.
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Post by Ultrasound Nurse on Sept 8, 2024 20:35:16 GMT -5
It's a fact that I've been around before any of the pretenders here that call themselves fans in this forum. My 24 years of experience includes the time that I was in the clinic with Lisa Evancho, letting her know of the ultrasound results when little Jackie was in the womb. Together, we stood in awe as we could hear Jackie singing, "O Mio Babbino Caro" only 7 months into Lisa's pregnancy. Sims was not in the delivery room, so that means I have 11 more years of experience following Jackie's career than he does. NO ONE here was around in those early days, which makes me the most authoritative and knowledgeable fan in the forum. How was her singing in the womb? We had to strain to hear her, but it sounded promising. |
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Post by BOGC on Sept 8, 2024 20:51:09 GMT -5
Just saying I don't think there is anything the slightest bit weird about a 24 year old woman traveling to a country on the other side of the globe with her dad (and business manager). Happens all the time. There may be a lot of things that Jackie should be doing on her own that she's not doing on her own, but I don't think this is the best example of that. We are not talking one time or just a few times. We are talking every time. At 24 years old others would be taking their boyfriend or girlfriend not their Daddy. Nobody that's not married should have a Significant Other that they go on long trips with, period. To put it another way, nobody one isn't that sure about keeping around permanently should be trusted that much. |
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Post by donkey on Sept 8, 2024 22:44:23 GMT -5
Why are you only comparing her to other artists? Millions of teen girls and young woman have had Jackies mental and health issues, and most of them weren't artists. Since most artists her age don't have these problems, perhaps it doesn't stem from being an artist at all, in which case, why would we compare her to other artists when talking about mental and physical health? And I don't buy that the primary reason for eating disorders, or anxiety, or depression, or a host of other mental illnesses is necessarily the result of "bad parenting"...that a direct cause-effect relationship has been established there. If you know of valid studies done that have demonstrated this to be the case, feel free to share. I am open to being educated on the subject. It's always easy to say, "the parents should have seen it coming", in hindsight. But that's probably quite unfair, especially considering Jackie did as most people with eating disorders do....do their best to hide it. And most parents aren't familiar with eating disorders and don't know what to look for, and even if they did, they likely wouldn't have been looking for it in Jackie if they had no reason to suspect such a thing. And by the way, the family did notice something was wrong at some point, and long before it got to a life threatening state. There are a few people here that recognized Jackie was having problem. I mentioned Jackie's mental state years ago when she showed a drawing she made around Christmas time of a cut wrist with blood spilling out. There were also several pictures of her very very skinny. Being a celebrity does make a difference. First they are working around other people that would notice something wrong. Second they should have the money to get the help they need. Maybe if Jackie had some friends her parents would notice that Jackie looks years behind her peers in development.
Unlike other girls Jackie's age her parents were with her 24/7. It would have been much harder for Jackie to hide something than others.
Yeah, but wasnt she diagnosed with anorexia at 15 or 16? She just didnt go public with her diagnosis until years later. So we were seeing signs of trouble after the diagnosis...we just weren't aware of the diagnosis yet. So in other words, the family figured out there was a problem long they told us about it. |
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Post by colt46 on Sept 9, 2024 7:44:06 GMT -5
I still don’t think Jackie’s parents did enough to help her! They also didn’t help her with her social skills growing up!Darci was awkward growing up and her parents got her involved in different activities that helped bring her out of her shell and we are seeing the results!
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Post by donkey on Sept 9, 2024 9:18:01 GMT -5
I still don’t think Jackie’s parents did enough to help her! They also didn’t help her with her social skills growing up!Darci was awarded growing up and her parents got her involved in different activities that helped bring her out of her shell and we are seeing the results! Mabye, but some people are just introverted and socially awkward. Add to that the sudden fame and being a kid, always wondering if you are being "liked", merely due to your fame, aka being used, and it's understandable to an extent. There was also jealousy among some her peers in school, and add to that Jackie's social awkwardness...it made her appear stuck up and aloof to some. You know, parents can only do so much. You can't MAKE you kid be social, although you can try to encourage it...and they probably did. I think the fame really made something that was hard for Jackie even harder. Sounds like she had some bad experiences as well with people "hurting" or "using" her that made her very distrustful. Keep in mind, between her siblings and family friends, she had some friends. She had a few boyfriends as well. I think it's way too easy to just say it's all the parent's fault. The only way I think that works might be if your opinion was that they shouldn't have let her have the full time singing career that thrust her into the world of adults. |
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Post by richard on Sept 9, 2024 9:20:17 GMT -5
I still don’t think Jackie’s parents did enough to help her! They also didn’t help her with her social skills growing up!Darci was awarded growing up and her parents got her involved in different activities that helped bring her out of her shell and we are seeing the results! Are you kidding it looks more like Jackie's parents did everything possible to keep Jackie in a shell.
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Post by donkey on Sept 9, 2024 9:27:35 GMT -5
I still don’t think Jackie’s parents did enough to help her! They also didn’t help her with her social skills growing up!Darci was awarded growing up and her parents got her involved in different activities that helped bring her out of her shell and we are seeing the results! Are you kidding it looks more like Jackie's parents did everything possible to keep Jackie in a shell.
Take a socially awkward ten year old, make her suddenly famous and thrust her into a full-time job in a world of adults...what could go wrong? Add to that mix a few bad experiences that made Jackie distrustful of people outside the family unit and mabye the immediate circle of family friends, and what do you expect? Plus, when you are always around adults day after day, and are travelling around the world doing concerts, and are famous...how much are you going to have in common with other kids your age. There would be some difficulty relating. Did mom and dad purposefully isolate Jackie in order to keep their "Golden Goose" safe and sound, or did it just work out the way it did due to the circumstances of her sudden career and fame with an already introverted and socially awkward kid? I suspect more the latter. And, it was easier for Jackie to isolate herself with the family as she had siblings to socialize with. |
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Post by richard on Sept 9, 2024 11:39:26 GMT -5
Jackie didn't seem socially awkward from Pre-AGT videos. I don't believe that story of a person dressed as a priest wanted her to sit on his lap. There are many celebrities that started at a younger age than Jackie who worked around adults a lot more than her and don't have her problems.
Here is an artist that started younger than Jackie and is doing quite well now. She is known for making a music Video with Sabrina Carpenter lately. Her parents left her career completely up to professional managers and agents. She is not backward like Jackie and is well liked by her age group.
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Post by donkey on Sept 9, 2024 11:58:08 GMT -5
Jackie didn't seem socially awkward from Pre-AGT videos. I don't believe that story of a person dressed as a priest wanted her to sit on his lap. There are many celebrities that started at a younger age than Jackie who worked around adults a lot more than her and don't have her problems. You don't suddenly become socially awkward or introverted. You are born that way. It just became more visible to more people when she found herself on AGT and became well known. And on AGT and in the early post-AGT career, her social awkwardness was very apparent. And, she has always acknowledged that she has it. I think as time has gone by, Jackie has asserted various things, aka made various claims. Some at the time expressed doubt at some of her claims, but I have found them to generally be true as time has revealed more information. For instance, she claimed she had anorexia. Some "fans" doubted that claim. Evidence over time showed it to be true. Aside from claims from Disappointed, who has JDS, I have NOT found Jackie to be a liar. Therefore, I give her the benefit of the doubt with regard to the priest story. We know there were OTT nuts doing crazy crap back then, so it's an entirely believable scenario. Shoot, some nut showed up at her door a year or two ago and pretended to believe they had been talking to Jackie online....and wouldn't leave until the cops arrived. And this is long after the peak of her career. Imagine what crazies tried back then? Jackie has kept some stuff secret from fans, but until I see evidence that she deliberately misleads us with fabricated facts, aka lies, I don't doubt what she says. Like I said, if anything, the opposite is true. Claims she makes generally seem to turn out to be true. |
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Post by BOGC on Sept 9, 2024 12:04:55 GMT -5
I still don’t think Jackie’s parents did enough to help her! They also didn’t help her with her social skills growing up!Darci was awarded growing up and her parents got her involved in different activities that helped bring her out of her shell and we are seeing the results! Mabye, but some people are just introverted and socially awkward. Add to that the sudden fame and being a kid, always wondering if you are being "liked", merely due to your fame, aka being used, and it's understandable to an extent. There was also jealousy among some her peers in school, and add to that Jackie's social awkwardness...it made her appear stuck up and aloof to some. You know, parents can only do so much. You can't MAKE you kid be social, although you can try to encourage it...and they probably did. I think the fame really made something that was hard for Jackie even harder. Sounds like she had some bad experiences as well with people "hurting" or "using" her that made her very distrustful. Keep in mind, between her siblings and family friends, she had some friends. She had a few boyfriends as well. I think it's way too easy to just say it's all the parent's fault. The only way I think that works might be if your opinion was that they shouldn't have let her have the full time singing career that thrust her into the world of adults. She's also got something like eight first cousins, four of which are more in south central PA, but some of the rest are likely much closer. |
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Post by Amen! on Sept 9, 2024 12:37:23 GMT -5
Jackie would be gigging up a storm in Branson or Joplin Missouri. The good men there will always welcome a sinner back into the lap of the Lord!  |
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Post by donkey on Sept 9, 2024 15:03:09 GMT -5
Jackie would be gigging up a storm in Branson or Joplin Missouri. The good men there will always welcome a sinner back into the lap of the Lord! |
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Post by colt46 on Sept 9, 2024 16:50:07 GMT -5
Amen your post is nonsense!
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