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Post by richard on Sept 9, 2024 17:06:32 GMT -5
By keep saying Jackie is an introvert and really can't make friends. Pretty much dooms her as a pop singer and almost all other genres.
Olivia Rodrigo, Tate McRae, Grace Vanderwaal, Kenzie Ziegler, Sabrina Carpenter, Darcy Lynn, Lexi Jayde, Dylan Conrique, Emily Bear, Billie Eilish and others mention on this site all get along well with their age group and seem very happy in what they are doing.
Jackie does not fit in with them. She can't get fans her age, she is not popular with her generation and instead of having a positive personality she is very negative and even promotes herself trying to use all her self inflected problems and thinking people will feel sorry for her. Her music is not cheerful and is not the type people would sing along with at a concert. To any G-Generation she must seem just weird as hell espacilly with this Daddy daughter relationship at her age.
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Post by BOGC on Sept 9, 2024 17:15:04 GMT -5
By keep saying Jackie is an introvert and really can't make friends. Pretty much dooms her as a pop singer and almost all other genres. Olivia Rodrigo, Tate McRae, Grace Vanderwaal, Kenzie Ziegler, Sabrina Carpenter, Darcy Lynn, Lexi Jayde, Dylan Conrique, Emily Bear, Billie Eilish and others mention on this site all get along well with their age group and seem very happy in what they are doing. Jackie does not fit in with them. She can't get fans her age, she is not popular with her generation and instead of having a positive personality she is very negative and even promotes herself trying to use all her self inflected problems and thinking people will feel sorry for her. Her music is not cheerful and is not the type people would sing along with at a concert. To any G-Generation she must seem just weird as hell espacilly with this Daddy daughter relationship at her age. Exaggerating much? She has friends, she just doesn't post them or travel with them; they are NONE OF OUR BUSINESS (and they probably don't want to be), nor is ANYTHING personal really; not everyone lives their lives on social frickin' media. She's not an advertising (not going to use the word, but it refers to the oldest profession). Maybe you have to be one of those these days, too bad. She's sung cheerful songs (most of the Christmas music, most of the movie music, some of the Broadway music, etc). She's not going to write songs about how happy she is that her boyfriend is talented in TMI ways, deal with it. They always say...write about what you know about. Mostly that's not singing kumbaya around the campfire, it's what you're dealing with. I'm sure she'll get around to writing some of her own cheerful songs in her own time. |
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Post by donkey on Sept 9, 2024 18:15:59 GMT -5
By keep saying Jackie is an introvert and really can't make friends. Pretty much dooms her as a pop singer and almost all other genres. Olivia Rodrigo, Tate McRae, Grace Vanderwaal, Kenzie Ziegler, Sabrina Carpenter, Darcy Lynn, Lexi Jayde, Dylan Conrique, Emily Bear, Billie Eilish and others mention on this site all get along well with their age group and seem very happy in what they are doing. Jackie does not fit in with them. She can't get fans her age, she is not popular with her generation and instead of having a positive personality she is very negative and even promotes herself trying to use all her self inflected problems and thinking people will feel sorry for her. Her music is not cheerful and is not the type people would sing along with at a concert. To any G-Generation she must seem just weird as hell espacilly with this Daddy daughter relationship at her age. I get that she may not be seen as "cool" by younger generations. But I doubt they think she is weird either. In fact, most young people today have no idea even who she is. |
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Post by 1 Guest on Sept 9, 2024 18:32:17 GMT -5
Jackie would be gigging up a storm in Branson or Joplin Missouri. The good men there will always welcome a sinner back into the lap of the Lord!  If they're still living I bet their hair still hasn't moved. |
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Post by msims on Sept 9, 2024 21:41:51 GMT -5
By keep saying Jackie is an introvert and really can't make friends. Pretty much dooms her as a pop singer and almost all other genres. There is no pop artist more highly introverted than Sia. She performed turned away from the crowd often and wore wigs that cover her face, not just to be edgy or cool. She left the industry for awhile and became a songwriter after having a breakdown from the pressure of being a performer. Quoting reddit. The hypocrisy is wild to me. Another quote from reddit: "A lot of entertainers are introverts. Being an introvert doesn't necessarily equal social anxiety. A lot of introverts are deep thinkers and very creative people so it's not really a surprise that many introverts turn those talents into careers. I avoid social gatherings most of the time because I am lousy at small talk and feel very uncomfortable in settings where I'm expected to do so. But I have been on stage a lot as a singer, poet and speaker. I love being in front of an audience and having all eyes on me in that setting. At a party, however, I'll cling to the walls, hoping I blend in with the wallpaper, until it is blessedly time to go home. Have you already attempted singing in front of an audience - and was it too anxiety producing for you? Something like a public speaking class might give you some tools to deal with the social anxiety part." And what Jackie said on fb (I swore this was written by Lisa): TO NEW BEGINNINGS... With the onset of a New Year and me entering adulthood as a 18 year old moving to New York, I felt the need to put this out into the universe as a way of continuing the healing process I'm on. I no longer have the fear to stay silent. People often still think of me as a child star, and that isn’t easy to shake off. I just performed on NBC’s AGT’s The Champions and it allowed me to reflect on my journey – the reason I wanted to do the show was to walk onto that stage as a young woman and show the world I am no longer a child. A lot of people hear “10 year old singer” and immediately feel bad for me. There is a lot of stigma around being a child entertainer mainly because of the past experiences that have been thrust into the spot light by paparazzi and tabloids. I’ll admit that there are a lot of aspects that aren’t so glamorous about being a child in the music industry but there’s a lot that I’m thankful for and would never change. I am glad that I am a performer and that that’s how I make my living, but growing up that way wasn’t easy. My parents were smart about every decision they had made for me. They tried to balance work and downtime by being very strict about what they had said yes to. The part that I never understood as a child was why I had to give up parts of an ordinary life that I enjoyed to pursue this extraordinary one instead. Through the years I have developed some flaws and battled some demons, from being sheltered from aspects of a “normal” child’s life. I am extremely awkward and shy around those my age. I trust absolutely no one unless they are family or have passed through years of my life without hurting me in some way. There is also a sadness in me from growing up basically alone. My mother wasn’t well when we traveled together, she would sleep a lot because otherwise she would be hurting and nauseous and I wanted my mom to feel better so I never complained. That meant that at 5pm in the afternoon, she would go to bed for the night and I’d be alone in a hotel room without anything to do. Needless to say the cabin fever drove me to tears. I love my mom so much and she only has my best interest at heart but I understood battling chronic illness is totally debilitating. Throughout my childhood I was also facing another reality - that there were men out there who wanted to hurt me. Some even went to the extreme of claiming they were priests and other disarming occupations to gain trust and easy access backstage, but clearly their intentions weren’t so pure. There was also this assumption that I was a stuck up diva when I had returned to school which left me isolated even in social areas because no one wanted to be my friend. There was the fear of stalkers and other dangers of being in the spotlight that my family and I had to deal with. All these things were terrible as a child and yet I’m still here performing and loving it. A lot of people may ask “Why?” and I say it’s my path, my dream, and my passion, with a fire inside of me when I perform. I’ve learned that there is a lot about the world that is sad. That’s just life, but there are also many beautiful parts of life that I cherish and focus on. I’m now 18 and responsible for my own life – a young adult. I now live in New York where I can focus more on work and also live in a creative environment – I want to learn and grow. I like making my own decisions, and while listening to the people close to me, I'm ultimately steering my own ship. My love for music is profound – it’s what drives me and transforms me. I've learned and been through so much, but this is my journey and I look forward to a bright future for the next phase of my life. -- As someone who was around at that time. They were having Meet and Greets so its very likely a creep got to say something to her. That recently happened with Darci and I posted it in her thread, its very disturbing. Its always one bad apple that spoils the bunch. |
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Post by donkey on Sept 9, 2024 21:55:41 GMT -5
By keep saying Jackie is an introvert and really can't make friends. Pretty much dooms her as a pop singer and almost all other genres. There is no pop artist more highly introverted than Sia. She performed turned away from the crowd often and wore wigs that cover her face, not just to be edgy or cool. She left the industry for awhile and became a songwriter after having a breakdown from the pressure of being a performer. Quoting reddit. The hypocrisy is wild to me. Another quote from reddit: "A lot of entertainers are introverts. Being an introvert doesn't necessarily equal social anxiety. A lot of introverts are deep thinkers and very creative people so it's not really a surprise that many introverts turn those talents into careers. I avoid social gatherings most of the time because I am lousy at small talk and feel very uncomfortable in settings where I'm expected to do so. But I have been on stage a lot as a singer, poet and speaker. I love being in front of an audience and having all eyes on me in that setting. At a party, however, I'll cling to the walls, hoping I blend in with the wallpaper, until it is blessedly time to go home. Have you already attempted singing in front of an audience - and was it too anxiety producing for you? Something like a public speaking class might give you some tools to deal with the social anxiety part." And what Jackie said on fb (I swore this was written by Lisa): TO NEW BEGINNINGS... With the onset of a New Year and me entering adulthood as a 18 year old moving to New York, I felt the need to put this out into the universe as a way of continuing the healing process I'm on. I no longer have the fear to stay silent. People often still think of me as a child star, and that isn’t easy to shake off. I just performed on NBC’s AGT’s The Champions and it allowed me to reflect on my journey – the reason I wanted to do the show was to walk onto that stage as a young woman and show the world I am no longer a child. A lot of people hear “10 year old singer” and immediately feel bad for me. There is a lot of stigma around being a child entertainer mainly because of the past experiences that have been thrust into the spot light by paparazzi and tabloids. I’ll admit that there are a lot of aspects that aren’t so glamorous about being a child in the music industry but there’s a lot that I’m thankful for and would never change. I am glad that I am a performer and that that’s how I make my living, but growing up that way wasn’t easy. My parents were smart about every decision they had made for me. They tried to balance work and downtime by being very strict about what they had said yes to. The part that I never understood as a child was why I had to give up parts of an ordinary life that I enjoyed to pursue this extraordinary one instead. Through the years I have developed some flaws and battled some demons, from being sheltered from aspects of a “normal” child’s life. I am extremely awkward and shy around those my age. I trust absolutely no one unless they are family or have passed through years of my life without hurting me in some way. There is also a sadness in me from growing up basically alone. My mother wasn’t well when we traveled together, she would sleep a lot because otherwise she would be hurting and nauseous and I wanted my mom to feel better so I never complained. That meant that at 5pm in the afternoon, she would go to bed for the night and I’d be alone in a hotel room without anything to do. Needless to say the cabin fever drove me to tears. I love my mom so much and she only has my best interest at heart but I understood battling chronic illness is totally debilitating. Throughout my childhood I was also facing another reality - that there were men out there who wanted to hurt me. Some even went to the extreme of claiming they were priests and other disarming occupations to gain trust and easy access backstage, but clearly their intentions weren’t so pure. There was also this assumption that I was a stuck up diva when I had returned to school which left me isolated even in social areas because no one wanted to be my friend. There was the fear of stalkers and other dangers of being in the spotlight that my family and I had to deal with. All these things were terrible as a child and yet I’m still here performing and loving it. A lot of people may ask “Why?” and I say it’s my path, my dream, and my passion, with a fire inside of me when I perform. I’ve learned that there is a lot about the world that is sad. That’s just life, but there are also many beautiful parts of life that I cherish and focus on. I’m now 18 and responsible for my own life – a young adult. I now live in New York where I can focus more on work and also live in a creative environment – I want to learn and grow. I like making my own decisions, and while listening to the people close to me, I'm ultimately steering my own ship. My love for music is profound – it’s what drives me and transforms me. I've learned and been through so much, but this is my journey and I look forward to a bright future for the next phase of my life. -- As someone who was around at that time. They were having Meet and Greets so its very likely a creep got to say something to her. That recently happened with Darci and I posted it in her thread, its very disturbing. Its always one bad apple that spoils the bunch. I disagree. I think introversion and some level of social anxiety go hand in hand. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Sept 9, 2024 22:01:46 GMT -5
There is no pop artist more highly introverted than Sia. She performed turned away from the crowd often and wore wigs that cover her face, not just to be edgy or cool. She left the industry for awhile and became a songwriter after having a breakdown from the pressure of being a performer. Absolutely correct. And Sia was going to give up performing and become only a songwriter until Maddie Ziegler danced in Sia's Chandelier music video and brought Sia worldwide fame. Now the question is: who will rescue Jackie's career? |
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Post by donkey on Sept 9, 2024 22:22:32 GMT -5
There is no pop artist more highly introverted than Sia. She performed turned away from the crowd often and wore wigs that cover her face, not just to be edgy or cool. She left the industry for awhile and became a songwriter after having a breakdown from the pressure of being a performer. Absolutely correct. And Sia was going to give up performing and become only a songwriter until Maddie Ziegler danced in Sia's Chandelier music video and brought Sia worldwide fame. Now the question is: who will rescue Jackie's career? David Foster!  |
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Post by msims on Sept 9, 2024 23:00:41 GMT -5
A Rich tax lawyer in India who thanks to him: Jackie likely made the equivalent if she performed seven more Winery dates and perhaps more.
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Post by Oui Oui on Sept 9, 2024 23:11:58 GMT -5
Jackie would be gigging up a storm in Branson or Joplin Missouri. The good men there will always welcome a sinner back into the lap of the Lord! If they're still living I bet their hair still hasn't moved. Pardon my french, but this group looks like men cross-dressers. |
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Post by Amen! on Sept 10, 2024 1:24:13 GMT -5
If they're still living I bet their hair still hasn't moved. Jackie was latched onto by dads & grandpas, trumpers, christians, trans supporters, theatre people, and AGT fans. I never cared about any of that as long as she didn't try to please them all. There was one road I absolutely felt she should not go down, though, and would lead to ruin: religious music. Devotional, sappy stuff that gets done and overdone by every CC wannabe in ever talent show. It's the one category on her setlist that I'd pick to be thrown off the island. When she sings churchy songs, I want to cringe myself to death. And so, these handsome women with majestic hair and fetching baby blue outfits are where my mind takes me every time Jackie reverts to that stuff. She has more trouble letting go of the past than Sims. |
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Post by BOGC on Sept 10, 2024 2:13:49 GMT -5
Almost all music except whatever traveling bards and troubadours sang was sponsored by a patron (actually the bards tended to be partially sponsored too, insofar as they'd perform for clan chiefs and petty kings). Much of it was religious music. And the composers certainly didn't want to let down sponsors or religion. So it was some of the best.
That's part of music history. And the sponsorship bit mostly aside, not just history, either.
There are still lots and lots of religious people out there, even if a lot of them have become disillusioned with hierarchical organized religion - NO human activity is divinely protected from corruption; at best, individuals that are making a serious effort to resist it might not be tempted beyond their ability to resist. (there is a promise in that regard, but it might be an open question who qualifies)
There's a lot of spinoff music that while not specifically religious has some overtones not far from it, like "You Lift Me Up", "Wind Beneath My Wings", etc. There are groups like Evanescence which while they are specifically NOT Christian or religious, do deal with some of the same themes in their songs, and in some of those songs do so in a religion-friendly manner, without being that specific.
If, not counting Christmas concerts (and a rather large part of "Christmas" music has become non-religious), one or two songs in a set list of well over ten put you off, that's your problem.
I don't completely disagree that trying to peel off all sorts of incompatible groups and please them all is probably not going to work well. But one doesn't have to straight secular pop/rock soul-rotting content, either; the musical universe is much bigger than that.
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Post by BOGC on Sept 10, 2024 2:16:42 GMT -5
Pardon my french, but this group looks like men cross-dressers.
From what I can tell, the whole thing is a parody, there was never such a group. Someone put up one track allegedly by them, but it's the sort of thing that a lot of those that alleged album cover is a parody of might have done. There's a bit of argument, but no proof I saw in a very quick googling session that they were ever real. |
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Post by amg1977 on Sept 10, 2024 5:44:35 GMT -5
A fansite posted this video of Grace yesterday at the Toronto International Film Festival:
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Post by Socal Fan on Sept 10, 2024 7:45:25 GMT -5
Absolutely correct. And Sia was going to give up performing and become only a songwriter until Maddie Ziegler danced in Sia's Chandelier music video and brought Sia worldwide fame. Now the question is: who will rescue Jackie's career? David Foster! He already tried with DWM but nothing came of that one-off. He had her in his show a few times but nothing came of that either. Will the future bring anything more? |
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