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Post by Beachguy on Feb 1, 2019 10:21:13 GMT -5
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Post by Beachguy on Feb 1, 2019 10:23:06 GMT -5
My son has this warrior on his large arm in a tatoo , the Hero Saint of Peace Keepers ..
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Post by ben on Feb 1, 2019 10:49:24 GMT -5
A deist can only speak for himself. If he lacks the experience that someone else has,
that is not a valid reason to deny that it exists.
Blessings to all deists!
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Post by Beachguy on Feb 1, 2019 11:14:54 GMT -5
A deist can only speak for himself. If he lacks the experience that someone else has, that is not a valid reason to deny that it exists. Blessings to all deists! thanks , what experience ? a dream thinking it was real , a awakening in ones mind , thinking God talked or acted to one , had a scare to change and be good , to exist means needing facts not opinions , is the experience real truth or thought to be real ? , prove it not by words of beliefs , good luck on what you believe exists , you will need it and be a good person as God is watching  |
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Post by ben on Feb 1, 2019 12:11:11 GMT -5
A person who calls himself a deist believes in the tree but may never see its branches nor taste its fruit.
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Post by John Adams on Feb 1, 2019 13:21:13 GMT -5
A person who calls himself a deist believes in the tree but may never see its branches nor taste its fruit. Not correct as a deist sees ALL gifts of nature for it is nature's faith . The bible talks fruit from a tree as did Newton . |
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Post by ben on Feb 1, 2019 13:42:21 GMT -5
A person who calls himself a deist believes in the tree but may never see its branches nor taste its fruit. Not correct as a deist sees ALL gifts of nature for it is nature's faith . The bible talks fruit from a tree as did Newton . The material, and hence, temporary tree, represents the Tree which is Everlasting. Likewise, the Everlasting Tree produces Everlasting Fruit, whereas the material tree does not. "All things transitory but as symbols are sent, And therein heaven fulfills her intent." --Goethe (Faust/Part II) |
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Post by ben on Feb 1, 2019 13:54:27 GMT -5
Here is a good example of metaphor employed by those who have had
experience with the God active in the world:
“I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me..."
As we can see, the natural world can speak to us of a deeper reality.
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Post by ben on Feb 1, 2019 14:00:30 GMT -5
...that Deeper Reality is God, active in the world.
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Post by ben on Feb 1, 2019 14:27:03 GMT -5
One might ask, what is a proof or sign that God is active in this world?
Answer: Those who do God's will.
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Post by Guest on Feb 1, 2019 15:11:57 GMT -5
One might ask, what is a proof or sign that God is active in this world? Answer: Those who do God's will. You mean, like, killing infidels? |
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Post by ben on Feb 1, 2019 16:08:06 GMT -5
One might ask, what is a proof or sign that God is active in this world? Answer: Those who do God's will. You mean, like, killing infidels? The only 'infidel' you are responsible for is the one inside of you. If you kill the body of a person who does not worship as you do, you will have no peace because you have shown no respect for someone else's religion. Nothing disturbs or irritates a person who does God's will because he has God's Peace. 'Kill' the 'infidel' that lives within you, for that is sufficient, but it requires allowing God to transform you. If you are a Christian, here is a commandment: Thou shalt not kill. If you do not understand what that means, you can pray about it and God will help you understand. Learn to forgive. It is a manifestation of perfect love and so it is a good pathway to peace with others. |
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Post by ben on Feb 1, 2019 18:23:39 GMT -5
At the risk of being too simplistic, because the following will not be a comprehensive nor
thorough analysis, I would nevertheless like to address the subject of "fairytales" and their
usefulness to us.
The tales of fairies (or fairytales) have been often maligned by those who do not understand
or appreciate their deeper meaning. A superficial reading only serves as pleasant (or unpleasant)
journey into romantic fantasy. But a closer look reveals a treasure not unlike sacred literature:
The perennial story of suffering, redemption, and eventual liberation, or, as a Christian might
say, the incarnation, the resurrection, and the ascension, and all happening on an interior plane
of consciousness.
Most readers comprehend a fairytale on the level of fiction and mere entertainment.
But underneath the seemingly mundane details are instructive elements waiting to be
discovered---a journey every soul must embark upon in order to find true happiness, joy, and
fulfillment. With a fairytale, we are invited into a world of wonder and the magic regarding
divine things.
For example, the tale of Cinderella is a very old one, but classic story of the injustice
found in this world when seen its aspect of darkness or wickedness. This attribute or characteristic
of the world is first introduced to us by the loss of Cinderrella's 'true' and kindly parents and then
forced into being raised by (a counterfeit,) the cruel stepmother. (For her true Mother is Wisdom
and her true Father is God.) Her stepsisters also represent something false or counterfeit in
Cinderella's life. Something redemptive and just is missing from her life.
But in Cinderella, we have a young woman (who represents our own soul) who happens to be
pure in heart and without guile. Therefore, she is a good candidate for receiving something
which will redeem her. She is willing to endure all the injustices of those in temporary authority over her.
Enter the Godmother (Divine Wisdom), who helps Cinderella (from the ashes will rise a Phoenix)
by clothing her in proper vestments, those of Royalty, for all of God's children have a Royal and
Divine heritage. Now she is ready to meet the Prince (the incarnation of the Chrestos, the Logos, or
God, in the male form.)
We could read this tale as a dream. Then each character would represent an aspect of our
own totality or Self. If the goal is to be whole, or holy, all aspects of our Self must be accepted and
integrated into the total personality. This is done by being conscious of those things we have previously
rejected or were simply not aware of, and through a union or reconciliation. That union is represented
by the love between Cinderella and the Prince. If perfect, it liberates Cinderella (the soul) from all
suffering. Part of this dynamic is played out when she forgives her stepmother and stepsisters
at the close of the story.
The fairytale of Cinderella is the story of the ultimate union, producing the mutual fulfillment between
the soul and God, the power of which ushers in the Kingdom, wherein true justice reigns.
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Post by Beachguy on Feb 2, 2019 8:58:31 GMT -5
Not correct as a deist sees ALL gifts of nature for it is nature's faith . The bible talks fruit from a tree as did Newton . The material, and hence, temporary tree, represents the Tree which is Everlasting. Likewise, the Everlasting Tree produces Everlasting Fruit, whereas the material tree does not. "All things transitory but as symbols are sent, And therein heaven fulfills her intent." --Goethe (Faust/Part II) Come on ben , you are too smart to believe in words of so called men of wisdom , it is all opinions ones believes is fact or truth , the fact and truth is no one on this planet ever or will know the truth but only think in their minds believe , watch them on TV sunday morning and send in your money for a ticket to la la land heaven  . one man of God wants $100.00 , good deal and you may buy it as all the other nonsense you believe . As a once a God i bless thee , there now you will find forever peace of heart and mind .  Ps , the tree is not everlasting silly , it will die in time as all things when the sun burns out .So perhaps the SUN is the true God . |
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Post by Beachguy on Feb 2, 2019 9:05:29 GMT -5
...that Deeper Reality is God, active in the world. Only to some that believe that , i do not believe God is active , show me for God would have never stopped men as a Hitler , only humans would , you word is no better then mine . |
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. one man of God wants $100.00 , good deal and you may buy it as all the other nonsense you believe . As a once a God i bless thee , there now you will find forever peace of heart and mind . 
Ps , the tree is not everlasting silly , it will die in time as all things when the sun burns out .So perhaps the SUN is the true God .