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Post by Yasmine E. on Oct 8, 2017 11:10:47 GMT -5
The bad guys will always find a way with or without guns. As I recall, not a single gun was used in the 9-11 attacks. Did Timothy McVeigh have a gun? - if so, he didn't use it, the truckload of fertilizer did more damage than the nut in Vegas. We are lucky the Vegas nut wasn't buying up fertilizer instead of guns.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 11:11:09 GMT -5
.... Third, nowhere does this say that the reason it was created was to protect against a tyrannical government! Actually, as regards your third point, I do believe it is well implied [if not said outright] by the 2nd amendment. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 11:25:35 GMT -5
The bad guys will always find a way with or without guns. As I recall, not a single gun was used in the 9-11 attacks. Did Timothy McVeigh have a gun? - if so, he didn't use it, the truckload of fertilizer did more damage than the nut in Vegas. We are lucky the Vegas nut wasn't buying up fertilizer instead of guns. That's right. Guns don't kill people, people do. * Hammers don't kill people, people do. Frying pans don't kill people, people do. Ammonium Nitrate doesn't kill people, people do. * But guns do make it much too easy, though. The problem is within the hearts of man [or woman]. That said, though, I will give up my right to guns/hammers/frying pans and Ammonium Nitrate once no one else has access to these things. That is the sticking point for me. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Oct 8, 2017 11:41:23 GMT -5
I believe people have the right to possess guns. But they should be regulated as follows:
1. Convicted felons cannot possess guns.
2. Automatic weapons (and related devices) are banned.
3. Silencers are banned.
4. Gun ownership, possession and transfers must be registered.
5. Unregistered gun possession is illegal.
6. All guns must have serial numbers and tampering with them is illegal.
7. Ammunition purchases are recorded.
8. Possession of guns and ammo beyond a certain number is legal but subject to scrutiny.
Edit add: None of the above would be onerous for a law abiding citizen.
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Post by Whut? on Oct 8, 2017 23:10:55 GMT -5
...no one needs an automatic to go hunting after the third round its all over the place and you are just as liable to hit your hunting buddy as you are any game animal from the recoil.... There is simply nothing like experience. |
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Post by jrchico on Oct 10, 2017 0:14:28 GMT -5
You don't get this good at 13 on 3 boxes per month: I would definately want her covering my back when the Zombie Apocalypse happens.  |
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Post by agog on Oct 10, 2017 9:07:51 GMT -5
You don't get this good at 13 on 3 boxes per month: I would definately want her covering my back when the Zombie Apocalypse happens. Covering my back? Oh H no! "Take the point kid." |
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Post by gordy on Oct 13, 2017 21:10:00 GMT -5
Using the recent tragedy in Las Vegas as an example........imagine the 20,000 people all carrying a firearm at the event and the lead entertainer cries out "Form up militia and defend yourself from the hostile on floor 30". The next day the munition salesmen would be filling their wallets from doling out replacement ammo crying "how wonderful the 2nd Amendment is".
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Post by agog on Oct 13, 2017 21:13:48 GMT -5
Using the recent tragedy in Las Vegas as an example........imagine the 20,000 people all carrying a firearm at the event and the lead entertainer cries out "Form up militia and defend yourself from the hostile on floor 30". The next day the munition salesmen would be filling their wallets from doling out replacement ammo crying "how wonderful the 2nd Amendment is". And ol' agog would make a fortune the following day at the scrap metal yard from all the brass I'd sweep up. |
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Post by jrchico on Oct 14, 2017 2:25:58 GMT -5
Using the recent tragedy in Las Vegas as an example........imagine the 20,000 people all carrying a firearm at the event and the lead entertainer cries out "Form up militia and defend yourself from the hostile on floor 30". The next day the munition salesmen would be filling their wallets from doling out replacement ammo crying "how wonderful the 2nd Amendment is". And ol' agog would make a fortune the following day at the scrap metal yard from all the brass I'd sweep up. I am just happy that the people in the crowd that had guns had the common sense not to try to fire back at a target that was far out of range of a handgun. People in the motel would probably have been hit too. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 7:52:05 GMT -5
And ol' agog would make a fortune the following day at the scrap metal yard from all the brass I'd sweep up. I am just happy that the people in the crowd that had guns had the common sense not to try to fire back at a target that was far out of range of a handgun. People in the motel would probably have been hit too. You bring up a coming problem with allowing the citizenry to carry. That is, a citizen brings out their weapon to respond to some incident, probably shoots the wrong person, and in turn, is shot by another citizen who's just trying to help also. As of yet there isn't a term for that, but I'd call it "Whiteknighticide". |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 9:16:06 GMT -5
Don't think I have ever seen this after a mass shooting: "Zappos offers to help cover funeral costs of every Las Vegas victim" money.cnn.com/2017/10/13/news/zappos-vegas-funeral-costs/index.htmlen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapposwww.zappos.com/www.zappos.com/contact-usThis is the email I sent to Zappos thanking them for their humanitarian gesture. "Even though I live in a different state, I feel compelled to let you know how your humanitarian offer of paying for the victims funeral expenses makes me feel!! Never, after such a heinous act, have I seen such an offer of good will come from a company! Period! You are to be commended for helping to ease the suffering and pain that the families must be enduring. Thank you! " |
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Post by Beachguy on Oct 14, 2017 10:22:05 GMT -5
Using the recent tragedy in Las Vegas as an example........imagine the 20,000 people all carrying a firearm at the event and the lead entertainer cries out "Form up militia and defend yourself from the hostile on floor 30". The next day the munition salesmen would be filling their wallets from doling out replacement ammo crying "how wonderful the 2nd Amendment is". imagine , if , would , perhaps , could , maybe , all these words mean nothing . Protect the 2nd Amendment , some folks never get off their safe streets except to go to local place , they know nothing of the real streets in America . |
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Post by Beachguy on Oct 14, 2017 10:25:48 GMT -5
Don't think I have ever seen this after a mass shooting: "Zappos offers to help cover funeral costs of every Las Vegas victim" money.cnn.com/2017/10/13/news/zappos-vegas-funeral-costs/index.htmlen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapposwww.zappos.com/www.zappos.com/contact-usThis is the email I sent to Zappos thanking them for their humanitarian gesture. "Even though I live in a different state, I feel compelled to let you know how your humanitarian offer of paying for the victims funeral expenses makes me feel!! Never, after such a heinous act, have I seen such an offer of good will come from a company! Period! You are to be commended for helping to ease the suffering and pain that the families must be enduring. Thank you! " i never understood why people of a mass killing are more important then the one or two killed every day here an there . Don't all people matter . |
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Post by Beachguy on Oct 14, 2017 10:27:16 GMT -5
I am just happy that the people in the crowd that had guns had the common sense not to try to fire back at a target that was far out of range of a handgun. People in the motel would probably have been hit too. You bring up a coming problem with allowing the citizenry to carry. That is, a citizen brings out their weapon to respond to some incident, probably shoots the wrong person, and in turn, is shot by another citizen who's just trying to help also. As of yet there isn't a term for that, but I'd call it "Whiteknighticide". or its called the price to pay or scrap happens . |
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