Gun Control

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Near my own home town in the 'wild' West (Utah):   

"A man goes shopping with an AR-15 rifle on his shoulder, locking down nearby schools: Is he within his rights or causing a disturbance?" | Deseret News



www.deseretnews.com/article/900013844/a-man-goes-shopping-with-an-ar-15-rifle-on-his-shoulder-locking-down-nearby-schools-is-he-within-his-rights-or-causing-disturbance.html

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And earlier this month, in Pennsylvania:  

www.newsweek.com/pictures-couples-clutching-ar-15-rifles-renew-wedding-vows-controversial-825312










Additional photos can be found in the news article. 

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Mar 28, 2018 19:44:44 GMT -5 @ben said:

And earlier this month, in Pennsylvania:  

www.newsweek.com/pictures-couples-clutching-ar-15-rifles-renew-wedding-vows-controversial-825312










Additional photos can be found in the news article. 

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I would love to see an idiot, nut case try to shoot up that church.

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A short video (under 7 minutes) for those who want to know exactly what a bump stock is and how it works:

[richard]

Apr 4, 2018 21:01:57 GMT -5 @ben said:

A short video (under 7 minutes) for those who want to know exactly what a bump stock is and how it works:

To get the full impact of a bump stock you need to shoot at a man size silhouette  50 to 100 yards and see how many hits you actually have then compare that to a semi-auto shot gun with 00 buck. Each time you pull the trigger on the shotgun you are sending 9 lethal 33 cal balls down range. You will find you will get more hits with the shot gun because you will still be able to control the trigger pull. Most people that do a lot of shooting consider bump stocks as just range toys. How fast it shoots means nothing if you can't hit the target. 

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Apr 4, 2018 22:11:51 GMT -5 richard said:

Apr 4, 2018 21:01:57 GMT -5 @ben said:

A short video (under 7 minutes) for those who want to know exactly what a bump stock is and how it works:

To get the full impact of a bump stock you need to shoot at a man size silhouette  50 to 100 yards and see how many hits you actually have then compare that to a semi-auto shot gun with 00 buck. Each time you pull the trigger on the shotgun you are sending 9 lethal 33 cal balls down range. You will find you will get more hits with the shot gun because you will still be able to control the trigger pull. Most people that do a lot of shooting consider bump stocks as just range toys. How fast it shoots means nothing if you can't hit the target. 

    Unless, of course, the shooter is aiming at a crowd of people, trapped in a room.
   
    In the comment section, someone said that a bump stock can be 'Jerry rigged' using a leather belt.
    Do you know if this is true?

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So called bump stocks rely on the recoil impulse of the rifle and some form of spring to allow the weapon to freely move back and forth. The operator simply holds their finger in front of the trigger and each time the rifle moves forward the trigger gets depressed.

Any thing one can cobble to allow that to happen will have the same effect, ie using the recoil impulse to facilitate trigger manipulation.

Next thing to consider, someone like Jerry Miculek, a competitive shooter who can shoot a revolver faster than most semi-auto pistols can operate, should we ban him, or just revolvers?

[richard]

Apr 5, 2018 6:39:30 GMT -5 @ben said:

Apr 4, 2018 22:11:51 GMT -5 richard said:

To get the full impact of a bump stock you need to shoot at a man size silhouette  50 to 100 yards and see how many hits you actually have then compare that to a semi-auto shot gun with 00 buck. Each time you pull the trigger on the shotgun you are sending 9 lethal 33 cal balls down range. You will find you will get more hits with the shot gun because you will still be able to control the trigger pull. Most people that do a lot of shooting consider bump stocks as just range toys. How fast it shoots means nothing if you can't hit the target. 

    Unless, of course, the shooter is aiming at a crowd of people, trapped in a room.
   
    In the comment section, someone said that a bump stock can be 'Jerry rigged' using a leather belt.
    Do you know if this is true?

Yes you can do it several different ways but the only thing it is good for is just wasting ammo. You can put rubberbands on the trigger, use the belt loop in your pants or just hold the finger tight against your leg there are several videos that show how it is done, I never tried any as it is just useless waste of ammo.

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Oops!

Miami dad forgets gun in son's backpack, goes to school to get it


By David Ovalle, Miami Herald - Miami Herald - Friday, April 06, 2018


MIAMI - As a Miami father left his home Thursday morning to take his 8-year-old son to Kendale Elementary,
he put his pistol in the boy's backpack - then forgot about the weapon, police said.


But instead of calling authorities, Ramon Nuiry walked into the school and asked administrators to summon
the boy with the bag. Inside the office, Nuiry fished the gun out of the bag, put it in his waistband and left the school, according to an arrest report.


Nuiry, 53, was arrested and charged Thursday with possessing a weapon on school grounds, improper
exhibition of a weapon and possession of a concealed firearm. He was booked into a jail late Thursday.


A terrified parent who saw Nuiry take the weapon out of the bag notified school officials, who called
Miami-Dade Schools police. Detectives reviewed surveillance footage, which confirmed the account.

Police arrested Nuiry on Thursday afternoon, when he came to pick up the boy at the Kendall school.
He confessed, according to an arrest report by Miami-Dade Schools Detective John Messenger, and
the gun was found inside the car.


The arrest report did not say whether Nuiry admitted why he put the weapon in the book bag to begin with.


Visit Miami Herald at www.miamiherald.com

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From Greensboro, NC:

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a.msn.com/r/2/AAvxlCw?m=en-us


From USA Today:



Marco Rubio: We know how to reduce shootings and make schools safer


Just five weeks after the tragedy in Parkland, Congress passed a spending bill that authorizes $1 billion over the next decade to improve the safety of our schools. The STOP School Violence Act is set to immediately provide resources to schools and their communities to prevent violence before it ever begins. Here is why that matters.


The law reauthorizes and improves the Secure our Schools program, and immediately provides $75 million for the rest of this year and authorizes $100 million for each of the next 10 years to states, local governments and communities for the express purpose of financing school safety efforts. This is double the amount previously available to schools, and better targets the spending to evidence-based approaches that identify threats to students’ safety.

The new money would be available to local governments and schools to implement programs like Los Angeles County’s successful School Threat Assessment Response Team, which coordinates the efforts of law enforcement, schools and mental health professionals to make sure nobody slips through the cracks. It will fund anonymous reporting systems like the Safe UT app, and help school districts create and train intervention teams to seek out the troubled students most likely to pose risks like what happened in Parkland.

School safety programs that had previously been subject to budget cuts or staff turnover will have additional resources for operations and for investments in improvements. Local government officials, and the parents and families they represent, will be able to use the money for solutions that work best for their communities based on tried and true approaches. 


The efforts envisioned by the STOP School Violence Act are grounded in what works. Studies indicate that in the vast majority of school shootings, at least one person had information that the shooter was thinking about the attack. Dedicating a funding stream for the sole purpose of creating safe and secure lines of communication and organizing the resulting tips into actionable information would be a real step toward reducing these tragedies. We must better empower school officials, law enforcement, parents and concerned family members to communicate effectively with one another and take action on such information. 


Preventing school shootings is our shared responsibility as a country, and this fact is reflected in the taxpayer dollars being used to finance the STOP School Violence Act. But this law also recognizes the fundamental truth that, as Ryan Petty, father of Parkland victim Alaina Petty, said to the Senate Judiciary Committee, “where we really stop the next killer is in our homes, in our communities,” by directing the funds to the discretion of America’s towns and communities.

This principle — identifying risk factors and empowering those closest to the situation to act — underlies many of my proposed solutions after the Parkland tragedy, because it is based on what we know will work. The STOP School Violence Act illustrates how we can use federal spending to improve and coordinate the efforts of law enforcement, schools and families. Likewise, the School Safety and Mental Health Services Improvement Act I support would allow 100,000 public schools to improve school safety by using federal dollars for school counselors, alarm systems, security cameras and crisis intervention training.


We tell people that if they “see something, say something.” We need to make sure we can do something. My proposed law, the bipartisan Extreme Risk Protection Order and Violence Prevention Act — otherwise known as the “red flag” law — would encourage states to enact laws like the new one in Florida to create temporary risk protection orders for people at risk of committing gun violence. Already, the Florida law has been used several times. It recently enabled the Orlando police department to identify and stop an individual who had “thoughts and urges to commit a mass shooting,” as well as restrict gun possession by the Parkland shooter’s brother.


Understanding what risk factors exist, and what they mean for school safety, is critical to making this approach work. We should commit greater resources for studies of school shooting prevention systems to operations like the National Threat Assessment Center, which was established by the Secret Service to conduct research on targeted violence. Much of what we know about the effectiveness of the policies I propose comes from work from this group and ones like it. 


The tragedy in Parkland could have been avoided if the community’s information could have been shared more effectively with those with the ability to act, and if those with the authority and duty to act had done so. Changes to state and federal law can make it easier to do this. I am committed to enacting these changes, and the passage of the STOP School Violence should be an encouraging sign to all. Together, we can protect our kids and save the lives of many more.

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It is starting,
President Trump taking America back from the Globalist !

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Apr 7, 2018 14:39:34 GMT -5 @willyiam said:

Apr 7, 2018 13:23:21 GMT -5 @ben said:

a.msn.com/r/2/AAvxlCw?m=en-us


From USA Today:



Marco Rubio: We know how to reduce shootings and make schools safer


Just five weeks after the tragedy in Parkland, Congress passed a spending bill that authorizes $1 billion over the next decade to improve the safety of our schools. The STOP School Violence Act is set to immediately provide resources to schools and their communities to prevent violence before it ever begins. Here is why that matters.


The law reauthorizes and improves the Secure our Schools program, and immediately provides $75 million for the rest of this year and authorizes $100 million for each of the next 10 years to states, local governments and communities for the express purpose of financing school safety efforts. This is double the amount previously available to schools, and better targets the spending to evidence-based approaches that identify threats to students’ safety.

The new money would be available to local governments and schools to implement programs like Los Angeles County’s successful School Threat Assessment Response Team, which coordinates the efforts of law enforcement, schools and mental health professionals to make sure nobody slips through the cracks. It will fund anonymous reporting systems like the Safe UT app, and help school districts create and train intervention teams to seek out the troubled students most likely to pose risks like what happened in Parkland.

School safety programs that had previously been subject to budget cuts or staff turnover will have additional resources for operations and for investments in improvements. Local government officials, and the parents and families they represent, will be able to use the money for solutions that work best for their communities based on tried and true approaches. 


The efforts envisioned by the STOP School Violence Act are grounded in what works. Studies indicate that in the vast majority of school shootings, at least one person had information that the shooter was thinking about the attack. Dedicating a funding stream for the sole purpose of creating safe and secure lines of communication and organizing the resulting tips into actionable information would be a real step toward reducing these tragedies. We must better empower school officials, law enforcement, parents and concerned family members to communicate effectively with one another and take action on such information. 


Preventing school shootings is our shared responsibility as a country, and this fact is reflected in the taxpayer dollars being used to finance the STOP School Violence Act. But this law also recognizes the fundamental truth that, as Ryan Petty, father of Parkland victim Alaina Petty, said to the Senate Judiciary Committee, “where we really stop the next killer is in our homes, in our communities,” by directing the funds to the discretion of America’s towns and communities.

This principle — identifying risk factors and empowering those closest to the situation to act — underlies many of my proposed solutions after the Parkland tragedy, because it is based on what we know will work. The STOP School Violence Act illustrates how we can use federal spending to improve and coordinate the efforts of law enforcement, schools and families. Likewise, the School Safety and Mental Health Services Improvement Act I support would allow 100,000 public schools to improve school safety by using federal dollars for school counselors, alarm systems, security cameras and crisis intervention training.


We tell people that if they “see something, say something.” We need to make sure we can do something. My proposed law, the bipartisan Extreme Risk Protection Order and Violence Prevention Act — otherwise known as the “red flag” law — would encourage states to enact laws like the new one in Florida to create temporary risk protection orders for people at risk of committing gun violence. Already, the Florida law has been used several times. It recently enabled the Orlando police department to identify and stop an individual who had “thoughts and urges to commit a mass shooting,” as well as restrict gun possession by the Parkland shooter’s brother.


Understanding what risk factors exist, and what they mean for school safety, is critical to making this approach work. We should commit greater resources for studies of school shooting prevention systems to operations like the National Threat Assessment Center, which was established by the Secret Service to conduct research on targeted violence. Much of what we know about the effectiveness of the policies I propose comes from work from this group and ones like it. 


The tragedy in Parkland could have been avoided if the community’s information could have been shared more effectively with those with the ability to act, and if those with the authority and duty to act had done so. Changes to state and federal law can make it easier to do this. I am committed to enacting these changes, and the passage of the STOP School Violence should be an encouraging sign to all. Together, we can protect our kids and save the lives of many more.

Here is a Wikipedia list of school shootings:

"List of school shootings in the United States"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States#21st_century

I'll let the reader discover how many young, innocent lives have been ended. What's missing is the stats for how many died instantly and how many lived a short while in agonizing pain knowing they were going to die.

Here's what will happen when schools are protected from maniac's with legally acquired assault weapons:

1. Knowing that the possibility of successfully massacring students in school is becoming less and less and the
    chance of the shooter being killed before they fire the first round, shooters will pick another place with lots
    of people, but with no protection.
2. Hospitals, restaurants, shopping malls, churches on Sunday, athletic events, concerts, movie theaters, etc., will
    then become the new norm.
3. Where will it stop?

   It could be that we will be living much like Israel in the not too distant future if the people cannot resolve this.

   Of course, living like the citizens in Israel would require the repeal of the 2nd Amendment here in
the U.S.---something not likely to happen, nor should it.  

   This is the legal situation there: 
     
www.washingtonpost.com/world/why-school-shootings-are-so-rare-in-israel-where-guns-are-such-a-common-sight/2018/02/22/1fce546a-17e3-11e8-930c-45838ad0d77a_story.html?utm_term=.7f5023e70f32

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Perhaps the first step is to prevent a person carrying a rifle from entering the school*?

How long has it been since a man with a rifle walked unimpeded into the Newtown school?

Plenty of time to secure school campuses, so...........

How is it a man with a rifle walked unimpeded into the Parkland school?

Yet, there are still those who would blame the rifle for leaving school campuses wide open.

I wonder how many schools have taken steps to physically control access to their campus?

*or a restaurant, or an office building, or a  movie theater, etc. 

RFI IDs are cheap and so are the readers. Secure the doors, it is neither rocket science, nor expensive, but it IS inconvenient. Which is the most likely reason it hasn't been done?

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As for banning guns: once you have taken up all the ones held by criminals then you can try asking for mine. Until you get tough enough with the criminals to make their possession of a gun impossible, don't even bother.