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Post by Beachguy on Aug 24, 2019 9:39:23 GMT -5
Ten years old ,Jackie WHO  |
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Post by cer on Aug 24, 2019 9:43:52 GMT -5
I think it is silly to state that someone's talent is to be judged by their popularity, but it cuts both ways. Popularity is no guarantee of quality (if that were true, McDonalds would be fine dining and Budweiser would be drinkable beer), but it also does not eliminate the possibility of quality. If a musician or composer has a love for jazz and wants to play jazz for a living, then no matter how great they are, their popularity will be limited. Jazz is no longer as popular as it once was and will probably never be that popular again. There are any number of young extremely talented jazz vocalists but if they continue in that calling, they will be competing in a small niche market. That is their choice and it has no bearing on their ability.
On the other side, some people seem to consider anything popular as being of poor quality merely because it is popular without any serious consideration of the work or artists' individual merits. This is usually accompanied by the claim that 95% of all popular music is garbage. Well, that is true. But 95% of all music is garbage - regardless of genre. The difference is that in popular music you will more likely come across the garbage because, well, it's popular. The countless lousy classical composers, jazz musicians, and fourth rate opera singers remain obscure because the limited resources allotted to that genre's promotion to the general public features the cream of the crop.
Applied to the topic of young female singers that dominates the discussion here, it is ridiculous to claim that Emily Bear is not a fabulously talented musician - no matter what happens in her attempt to cross over into popular music. In mastery of an instrument, she easily is in a class by herself. She does not have a great set of pipes but, as has been mentioned numerous times, a great vocal range is a plus but emotive power is more important in pop singing. In terms of composing, her musical composition skills are superb. I am not convinced her abilities as a lyricist are at the level of some others we have discussed, but, as a complete package, I stated earlier that she is the only girl we had discussed who has more musical chops than either Billie or Grace and I stand by that statement.
None of this means she will be successful - there are numerous factors, including timing, that determine long term success. But it won't be for lack of talent. She is probably best going the "indie" route and appealing to a college and 20-something demographic who have more adventurous tastes than the stuff played on the radio but, even if she is successful, it will likely take 3-5 years to reach a sustainable level.
I think where Emily will continue to excel is in the area of composing. Particularly for film. I think she is a incredible talent. Even though she doesn't do a lot of them during the year, Emily doesn't seem to have a problem filling seats at her concerts. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Aug 24, 2019 9:50:58 GMT -5
if you think one must be a singer/songwriter and not just one or the other, that may affect how you rank performers. If OTOH, your first priority is a single aspect (like voice), your ranking will be very different. I think there would be more consensus* ranking a single attribute than a group of attributes. Agreed. The ranking of an artist depends on the criteria used. Most people rank based on the total package: voice, looks, personality, songwriting, backstory, etc. The last factor was crucial for Susan Boyle. For most people, the connection they feel with the artist is an important factor. That is why songwriters have a big advantage - nothing creates a connection like one's own words. |
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Post by Beachguy on Aug 24, 2019 10:03:07 GMT -5
Here she is with pop at 12 , can't find much on her , no FB , i remember something happened with her years ago , her twitter is Private now ? |
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Post by Socal Fan on Aug 24, 2019 10:05:10 GMT -5
Post by Beachguy on Sep 15, 2014 Agne is a 12 year old with great possibilities , she has a delightful personality , a very nice voice & volume beyond her age , she is very cute reminding me of Miss Evancho in many ways , she also goes by Agne Giedra , she can be found on YT if you like a peek , she will be a Star like the other two A+G girls , Anna + Graceman & Ariana + Grande ,  IMO Her voice is fine but so are many many other fine voices. She has thus far not found a way to be noticed above the huge crowd of aspiring artists. |
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Post by johnnyb on Aug 24, 2019 10:18:54 GMT -5
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Post by amg1977 on Aug 24, 2019 10:48:21 GMT -5
Grace has had a very busy week as her tour machine rumbles on. She did a concert in Phoenix earlier in the week and then moved on to California where a lot is happening. She has already done two of her three concerts in LA (two were added because of demand) to very pleased crowds. Videos for these are popping up all over YouTube but so far no more new unreleased songs apart from the two ("Don't Like You" and "The City") that appeared in earlier shows. Yesterday she appeared at the opening of Disney's D23 Expo to help introduce the Disney+ streaming service (she has the lead in the film "Stargirl" for Disney+). She then gave her second concert last night and will appear at D23 today to take part in a panel discussion of "Stargirl" as well as perform some music (presumably songs from the film). It will then be on to Santa Ana for a concert, back to LA for the third concert, and then on to San Francisco. No word on any other surprises yet. Below is a link to an article on Stargirl and a short video of Grace and her co-star Graham Verchere (he is the male lead in the film) on the D23 Red Carpet
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Post by amg1977 on Aug 24, 2019 11:05:38 GMT -5
if you think one must be a singer/songwriter and not just one or the other, that may affect how you rank performers. If OTOH, your first priority is a single aspect (like voice), your ranking will be very different. I think there would be more consensus* ranking a single attribute than a group of attributes. Agreed. The ranking of an artist depends on the criteria used. Most people rank based on the total package: voice, looks, personality, songwriting, backstory, etc. The last factor was crucial for Susan Boyle. For most people, the connection they feel with the artist is an important factor. That is why songwriters have a big advantage - nothing creates a connection like one's own words. Another advantage a singer who is an excellent songwriter has is that, at least in popular music, your success as an artists is more under your own control. A singer who cannot write their own high quality material must rely on professional songwriters to get such quality material. Their best material will invariably go to the big stars most likely to produce a hit (songwriters have to make a living) with everyone else competing for the leftovers. Unless you are lucky enough to find a great but not yet established songwriter or you have a personal connection to such a songwriter, your material will not be of the quality of your established competitors. A singer who can write great material need not worry about this problem. |
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Post by Beachguy on Aug 24, 2019 11:50:55 GMT -5
My bad !! edit !! Artemis has under 1,000 followers on twitter not Instagram as Richard corrected me on , she has 997 , so much about numbers . it is not the numbers that count but the number that spends $$$$$ on a artist . In God We Trust  . BTW ! she gave me another like today , it is not about the like but it is the precious "" time "" a artist gives to common fans , i never got a like from Miss Evancho for all the comments , threads , letters , small gifts , most other artists do/did , some young girls have a honest heart to give thanks ..that is all one can ask , Time !!!! |
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Post by Disappointed on Aug 24, 2019 11:53:41 GMT -5
Mirror mirror on the wall, who is the most adorable of all? I would have to see several options to decide, but it sure isn't the one you posted. I guess you must be enthralled with average looks, bad skin, and no personality or brains. |
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Post by Beachguy on Aug 24, 2019 11:54:06 GMT -5
YIKES !!! she might has seen my thread ""mirror "" over at Ricks  , ok Jackie no turning your back on fans , we want the chills .What is this pose to mean ? . teasing ? ( O O ) ,, i guess this is what she meant , she is in control now .Daddy is crying  |
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Post by johnnyb on Aug 24, 2019 12:08:40 GMT -5
YIKES !!! she might has seen my thread ""mirror "" over at Ricks , ok Jackie no turning your back on fans , we want the chills .What is this pose to mean ? . teasing ? ( O O ) ,, i guess this is what she meant , she is in control now .Daddy is crying Highly unlikely Beachy, he's got a great life. The only time that guy is going to cry is when Jackie quits and the money stops flowing in. 😧 |
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Post by julia on Aug 24, 2019 12:10:39 GMT -5
YIKES !!! she might has seen my thread ""mirror "" over at Ricks , ok Jackie no turning your back on fans , we want the chills .What is this pose to mean ? . teasing ? ( O O ) ,, i guess this is what she meant , she is in control now .Daddy is crying So long as Jackie is making money, so he doesn't have to, Daddy will not be crying. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Aug 24, 2019 12:15:53 GMT -5
he's got a great life. The only time that guy is going to cry is when Jackie quits and the money stops flowing in. So long as Jackie is making money, so he doesn't have to, Daddy will not be crying. But he cries when he gets painfully sunburnt. |
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Post by johnnyb on Aug 24, 2019 12:18:00 GMT -5
he's got a great life. The only time that guy is going to cry is when Jackie quits and the money stops flowing in. So long as Jackie is making money, so he doesn't have to, Daddy will not be crying. But he cries when he gets painfully sunburnt. He probably cries when he has to go back home and spend time with Lisa. 😳 |
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. BTW ! she gave me another like today , it is not about the like but it is the precious "" time "" a artist gives to common fans , i never got a like from Miss Evancho for all the comments , threads , letters , small gifts , most other artists do/did , some young girls have a honest heart to give thanks ..that is all one can ask , Time !!!! 
, ok Jackie no turning your back on fans , we want the chills .What is this pose to mean ? . teasing ? ( O O ) ,, i guess this is what she meant , she is in control now .Daddy is crying 