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Post by gordy on Oct 17, 2017 15:16:24 GMT -5
Nice to see Affirmation of the ground rules here and with respect to receiving agreement or disagreement with my posts it is in keeping with the ground rules. I expect a lot of disagreement with my posts when they concern DTrump either directly or indirectly as there are a lot of staunch Trump/Republican supporters active on this site.
I personally have no concerns with either the Democrats or Republicans and I can't really comment about Hillary. I understand that a lot feel that she is a liar and untrustworthy. On the other hand, DTrump is no stranger to untruths of great magnitude himself. But then all politicians are liars to some extent as are lawyers. The question is then who is the more untrustworthy? However when a politician is also a lawyer then all doubts are removed.
The big concern I have with Trump is that he tweets outrageous comments and then finds he must clarify it in an about turn-----flip-flop Trump. More worrisome is that he clearly is a danger to the US and the entire world through what he states. We can only hope that those statements are not translated into actions.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 17:02:50 GMT -5
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Post by jrchico on Oct 17, 2017 17:13:24 GMT -5
So? Who do you want to believe, the governor of Puerto Rico or the mayor of one of the cities? I think i will believe the Governor as he is not disgruntled for being told he has been doing a lousy job. |
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Post by richard on Nov 13, 2017 2:16:15 GMT -5
I always considered myself pretty self sufficient, I never could understand how after just a couple of days of a major disaster so many people act like they are going to die with out government support. No food, no water, no heat. I would rather the government leave me alone and just take care of business. I don't think Puerco Rico wants the US to get them back in pre-hurricane shape, they are going to use the occasion to bleed us as much as possible.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 4:23:46 GMT -5
I always considered myself pretty self sufficient, I never could understand how after just a couple of days of a major disaster so many people act like they are going to die with out government support. No food, no water, no heat. I would rather the government leave me alone and just take care of business. I don't think Puerco Rico wants the US to get them back in pre-hurricane shape, they are going to use the occasion to bleed us as much as possible. Millions of people, like me, live in towns and cities. We use the municipal water supply.They, like me, rely on the local grocery store for food and the trucks to bring it to the grocery store. If either, or both, are disrupted we have no food and the government has to help. Oh, we can hoard a week or two of food and water, but it will eventually run out.
I always have plenty of food on hand for my cats and I can get water at the river, but I can't afford to hoard food for myself. Well, I suppose I could do a can here or there so I really have no excuse, but it wouldn't last for months.
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Post by gordy on Nov 13, 2017 9:05:09 GMT -5
I always considered myself pretty self sufficient, I never could understand how after just a couple of days of a major disaster so many people act like they are going to die with out government support. No food, no water, no heat. I would rather the government leave me alone and just take care of business. I don't think Puerco Rico wants the US to get them back in pre-hurricane shape, they are going to use the occasion to bleed us as much as possible. You have absolutely no concept of living through a major disaster. When people suddenly lose those things considered to be Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs then you have chaos and without law and order others with less self sufficiency will simply take from you by whatever means in order to look after their own. When a mass amount of people find themselves in need then your self sufficiency means nothing. |
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Post by agog on Nov 13, 2017 9:53:51 GMT -5
I always considered myself pretty self sufficient, I never could understand how after just a couple of days of a major disaster so many people act like they are going to die with out government support. No food, no water, no heat. I would rather the government leave me alone and just take care of business. I don't think Puerco Rico wants the US to get them back in pre-hurricane shape, they are going to use the occasion to bleed us as much as possible. Millions of people, like me, live in towns and cities. We use the municipal water supply.They, like me, rely on the local grocery store for food and the trucks to bring it to the grocery store. If either, or both, are disrupted we have no food and the government has to help. Oh, we can hoard a week or two of food and water, but it will eventually run out.
I always have plenty of food on hand for my cats and I can get water at the river, but I can't afford to hoard food for myself. Well, I suppose I could do a can here or there so I really have no excuse, but it wouldn't last for months.
Of course our government should help Rick. And it does. Any disaster or event that would leave ordinary Americans without water or food and medical supplies for two weeks would be larger than any we have experienced in history. The power may be out for a week or more from a big storm but food distribution would still be carried out within a few days in most cases. Keep some water purification tablets and an extra gallon or two of bleach for disinfectant when you draw water from the river, These items are not expensive. Twenty cans of beef stew will keep a person well nourished for as many days. Where you live, in Michigan, an alternative heat source would be prudent for Wintertime disruptions. That may be rather expensive, idk. Have a few bottles of alcohol for washing and minor cuts. Beans and rice are inexpensive, store well, provide near complete long term nutrition and only need some boiling river water to cook. Some spices can make them quite savory. |
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Post by agog on Nov 13, 2017 10:00:32 GMT -5
I always considered myself pretty self sufficient, I never could understand how after just a couple of days of a major disaster so many people act like they are going to die with out government support. No food, no water, no heat. I would rather the government leave me alone and just take care of business. I don't think Puerco Rico wants the US to get them back in pre-hurricane shape, they are going to use the occasion to bleed us as much as possible. You have absolutely no concept of living through a major disaster. When people suddenly lose those things considered to be Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs then you have chaos and without law and order others with less self sufficiency will simply take from you by whatever means in order to look after their own. When a mass amount of people find themselves in need then your self sufficiency means nothing. That's why "canned goods and shotguns" are the advice for collapse. The best strategy is to have family, friends and neighbors you have already vetted and are on the same page. It's true that people who are seeing their children go hungry for more than a day or two will resort to any means to acquire their needs. It ain't pretty. |
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Post by gordy on Nov 13, 2017 12:06:36 GMT -5
You have absolutely no concept of living through a major disaster. When people suddenly lose those things considered to be Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs then you have chaos and without law and order others with less self sufficiency will simply take from you by whatever means in order to look after their own. When a mass amount of people find themselves in need then your self sufficiency means nothing. That's why "canned goods and shotguns" are the advice for collapse. The best strategy is to have family, friends and neighbors you have already vetted and are on the same page. It's true that people who are seeing their children go hungry for more than a day or two will resort to any means to acquire their needs. It ain't pretty. Having canned goods and weapons to protect that which is needed to look after your family is of little value if it is buried under several feet of rubble along with all your tools needed to dig out your precious things needed for survival. If your friends and neighbors, which you have screened, are busy digging their supplies or family out of the rubble or treading in fast moving water that has flooded theirs and your neighborhood then you may have need of rapid government help. Even if what you need could be purchased, it provides little comfort if the power is out and the ATM won't fulfill your needs nor will the gas station pumps provide you with fuel to get to someplace where you might find an operating ATM. Of course the functioning ATM may be out of money by the time you find it. It would have been handy if that bridge or culvert hadn't washed out forcing you to find a detour.
The reason why FEMA exists or the Armed Forces have been trained in national survival techniques is so that they may bring organized and rapid relief to areas needing structured assistance. A basket full of goodies dumped in an area such as occurred in Puerto Rico is of little value unless there is a distribution structure in place otherwise simply use a Hercules aircraft or something similar and skid drop it as you fly over the stricken area......for all the good that would do.
For many victims in a major disaster their raison d'être is "me first, me second and anything left over....me again, when that is taken care of then I may have a bit of time to help you." Don't forget the looters who also have needs.
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Post by richard on Nov 13, 2017 15:09:21 GMT -5
I always considered myself pretty self sufficient, I never could understand how after just a couple of days of a major disaster so many people act like they are going to die with out government support. No food, no water, no heat. I would rather the government leave me alone and just take care of business. I don't think Puerco Rico wants the US to get them back in pre-hurricane shape, they are going to use the occasion to bleed us as much as possible. Millions of people, like me, live in towns and cities. We use the municipal water supply.They, like me, rely on the local grocery store for food and the trucks to bring it to the grocery store. If either, or both, are disrupted we have no food and the government has to help. Oh, we can hoard a week or two of food and water, but it will eventually run out.
I always have plenty of food on hand for my cats and I can get water at the river, but I can't afford to hoard food for myself. Well, I suppose I could do a can here or there so I really have no excuse, but it wouldn't last for months.
I just believe that everyone should have at least two weeks of supplies, Water, Food, emergencies shelter and heat. Maybe I spent to much time in the woods camping. But I also live in the city and It really doesn't take much. Think of it as insurance but you rotate your food. |
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Post by richard on Nov 13, 2017 15:35:38 GMT -5
Millions of people, like me, live in towns and cities. We use the municipal water supply.They, like me, rely on the local grocery store for food and the trucks to bring it to the grocery store. If either, or both, are disrupted we have no food and the government has to help. Oh, we can hoard a week or two of food and water, but it will eventually run out.
I always have plenty of food on hand for my cats and I can get water at the river, but I can't afford to hoard food for myself. Well, I suppose I could do a can here or there so I really have no excuse, but it wouldn't last for months.
Of course our government should help Rick. And it does. Any disaster or event that would leave ordinary Americans without water or food and medical supplies for two weeks would be larger than any we have experienced in history. The power may be out for a week or more from a big storm but food distribution would still be carried out within a few days in most cases. Keep some water purification tablets and an extra gallon or two of bleach for disinfectant when you draw water from the river, These items are not expensive. Twenty cans of beef stew will keep a person well nourished for as many days. Where you live, in Michigan, an alternative heat source would be prudent for Wintertime disruptions. That may be rather expensive, idk. Have a few bottles of alcohol for washing and minor cuts. Beans and rice are inexpensive, store well, provide near complete long term nutrition and only need some boiling river water to cook. Some spices can make them quite savory. The biggest cost is food but if rotated buying in bulk can actually save you money, Your water heater should hold 40 gals of clean water just make sure you turn the water valve to it off, a couple of 55 gal barrels would go a long way use a large tarp or your roof to catch rain water of course there are still outside sources. A Mr. Buddy heater hooked to a 20lb tank (grill size) could supply you heat in a room or tent for a month, have at least 2 tanks for the winter. You can pick up these garden lights at Walmart for a dollar takes 2 to light a room, of course the best option is to have a solar power panel ( I have 2 60 watt foldable panels and 2 lithium ion storage devices) to charge batteries for light and cell phone and radio. A head lamp with rechargeable batteries is the best personal lighting system, why light areas your not looking and 3 AAA rechargeable batteries last 3 days of camping. A tent, therm-a-rest mattress sleeping bag and you are pretty much good to go. Of course personal protection device may set you back the most. I have a lot of other things but I think that is the essentials you should have. |
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Post by richard on Nov 13, 2017 15:41:54 GMT -5
I always considered myself pretty self sufficient, I never could understand how after just a couple of days of a major disaster so many people act like they are going to die with out government support. No food, no water, no heat. I would rather the government leave me alone and just take care of business. I don't think Puerco Rico wants the US to get them back in pre-hurricane shape, they are going to use the occasion to bleed us as much as possible. You have absolutely no concept of living through a major disaster. When people suddenly lose those things considered to be Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs then you have chaos and without law and order others with less self sufficiency will simply take from you by whatever means in order to look after their own. When a mass amount of people find themselves in need then your self sufficiency means nothing. I will have others like me armed maybe it would be good if they did try because I would be prepared and more than likely they would just be some gang that really didn't know what they were doing. My biggest problem wouldn't be arming myself but just what guns and accessories I would take. |
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Post by richard on Nov 13, 2017 15:54:07 GMT -5
That's why "canned goods and shotguns" are the advice for collapse. The best strategy is to have family, friends and neighbors you have already vetted and are on the same page. It's true that people who are seeing their children go hungry for more than a day or two will resort to any means to acquire their needs. It ain't pretty. Having canned goods and weapons to protect that which is needed to look after your family is of little value if it is buried under several feet of rubble along with all your tools needed to dig out your precious things needed for survival. If your friends and neighbors, which you have screened, are busy digging their supplies or family out of the rubble or treading in fast moving water that has flooded theirs and your neighborhood then you may have need of rapid government help. Even if what you need could be purchased, it provides little comfort if the power is out and the ATM won't fulfill your needs nor will the gas station pumps provide you with fuel to get to someplace where you might find an operating ATM. Of course the functioning ATM may be out of money by the time you find it. It would have been handy if that bridge or culvert hadn't washed out forcing you to find a detour.
The reason why FEMA exists or the Armed Forces have been trained in national survival techniques is so that they may bring organized and rapid relief to areas needing structured assistance. A basket full of goodies dumped in an area such as occurred in Puerto Rico is of little value unless there is a distribution structure in place otherwise simply use a Hercules aircraft or something similar and skid drop it as you fly over the stricken area......for all the good that would do.
For many victims in a major disaster their raison d'être is "me first, me second and anything left over....me again, when that is taken care of then I may have a bit of time to help you." Don't forget the looters who also have needs.
You can always think of scenarios that would be non-survivable like the sun going super nova, but I can't think of any of the natural disasters that happened recently in the US that I wouldn't have been prepared for. Almost all of the major disasters they had plenty of warning. Just what is going to come along and bury all your things with out you knowing it was coming first. |
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Post by jrchico on Nov 13, 2017 16:31:43 GMT -5
Having canned goods and weapons to protect that which is needed to look after your family is of little value if it is buried under several feet of rubble along with all your tools needed to dig out your precious things needed for survival. If your friends and neighbors, which you have screened, are busy digging their supplies or family out of the rubble or treading in fast moving water that has flooded theirs and your neighborhood then you may have need of rapid government help. Even if what you need could be purchased, it provides little comfort if the power is out and the ATM won't fulfill your needs nor will the gas station pumps provide you with fuel to get to someplace where you might find an operating ATM. Of course the functioning ATM may be out of money by the time you find it. It would have been handy if that bridge or culvert hadn't washed out forcing you to find a detour.
The reason why FEMA exists or the Armed Forces have been trained in national survival techniques is so that they may bring organized and rapid relief to areas needing structured assistance. A basket full of goodies dumped in an area such as occurred in Puerto Rico is of little value unless there is a distribution structure in place otherwise simply use a Hercules aircraft or something similar and skid drop it as you fly over the stricken area......for all the good that would do.
For many victims in a major disaster their raison d'être is "me first, me second and anything left over....me again, when that is taken care of then I may have a bit of time to help you." Don't forget the looters who also have needs.
You can always think of scenarios that would be non-survivable like the sun going super nova, but I can't think of any of the natural disasters that happened recently in the US that I wouldn't have been prepared for. Almost all of the major disasters they had plenty of warning. Just what is going to come along and bury all your things with out you knowing it was coming first. If you live in CA. it might be a little tough to survive a major earthquake without a little help. |
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Post by richard on Nov 13, 2017 19:02:47 GMT -5
You can always think of scenarios that would be non-survivable like the sun going super nova, but I can't think of any of the natural disasters that happened recently in the US that I wouldn't have been prepared for. Almost all of the major disasters they had plenty of warning. Just what is going to come along and bury all your things with out you knowing it was coming first. If you live in CA. it might be a little tough to survive a major earthquake without a little help. I am not saying not have the government help, but if they knew everyone had 2 weeks of supplies it would be a tremendous help in all major emergencies. They could better help the injured, I can't see why with all the gear that is available that any person in normal or even near normal health couldn't have what it takes to live comfortably 2 weeks with all outside utilities cut off. |
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