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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 8:44:46 GMT -5
I started this thread for one reason only: Puerto Rican's are not only American citizens, but also human. And after almost a month after hurricane Maria leveled the island, the people have been subjected to no electricity, no food, no water, no cell phone service and for those whose houses were destroyed, no place to live! It is known that 48 have died, and of those 48, 5 have died due to the lack of response. Also, due to the lack of communication, it is still unknown how many have been killed (over a hundred have been reported as missing), how many houses have been destroyed or how many people have been displaced! The orange orangutan sitting in the WH has threatened to end the FEMA recovery! The huge hospital ship Comfort, floating in a Puerto Rican harbor, capable of caring for thousands of patients, has a total of 8!! The other reason I started this thread, is that the same recovery ineptitude cannot be said for Texas and Louisiana. Those American citizens are not without electricity, or food, or water, or cell phone service. They are not forced to drink out of bacteria laden creeks and streams, or forced to live in cramped, intolerable shelters. The people of Texas and Louisiana who lost their houses and belongings have a certain expectation that someday, with the help of the state and federal governments, their lives will be made whole. The people of Puerto Rico who lost everything, have only the expectation that tomorrow they will still be alive. Here are some of the latest articles regards the Puerto Rico recovery: "Puerto Rico’s Human Catastrophe Is Hedge Funds’ Inhuman Nightmare" www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/puerto-rico-hurricane-debt-creditors"FEMA removes — then restores — statistics about drinking water access and electricity in Puerto Rico from website" www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/10/05/fema-removes-statistics-about-drinking-water-access-and-electricity-in-puerto-rico-from-website/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.2e330c6e6403"Hurricane Maria Relief Efforts Continue As Puerto Rico Recovery Moves At Slow Pace " www.msn.com/en-us/video/watch/hurricane-maria-relief-efforts-continue-as-puerto-rico-recovery-moves-at-slow-pace/vi-AAty4ch"Misery in Puerto Rico: No power, no job, 'enormous' lines" www.ksat.com/news/national/misery-in-puerto-rico-no-power-no-job-enormous-lines"How Many Puerto Ricans Will Leave Home After Hurricane Maria?" www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-many-puerto-ricans-will-leave-home-after-hurricane-maria"Puerto Rico's death toll from Hurricane Maria climbs to 48" "Scores of people still missing" www.ksat.com/news/national/puerto-ricos-death-toll-from-hurricane-maria-now-stands-at-48"3 weeks after Maria, Puerto Rico's pain is unending" www.ksat.com/news/national/3-weeks-after-maria-puerto-ricos-pain-is-unending"Hospital Ship Takes on Critical Patients in Puerto Rico Crisis" www.dodbuzz.com/2017/10/05/hospital-ship-takes-critical-patients-puerto-rico-crisis/I'll post more updates as they come in! |
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Post by Beachguy on Oct 16, 2017 9:31:58 GMT -5
I started this thread for one reason only: Puerto Rican's are not only American citizens, but also human. And after almost a month after hurricane Maria leveled the island, the people have been subjected to no electricity, no food, no water, no cell phone service and for those whose houses were destroyed, no place to live! It is known that 48 have died, and of those 48, 5 have died due to the lack of response. Also, due to the lack of communication, it is still unknown how many have been killed (over a hundred have been reported as missing), how many houses have been destroyed or how many people have been displaced! The orange orangutan sitting in the WH has threatened to end the FEMA recovery! The huge hospital ship Comfort, floating in a Puerto Rican harbor, capable of caring for thousands of patients, has a total of 8!! The other reason I started this thread, is that the same recovery ineptitude cannot be said for Texas and Louisiana. Those American citizens are not without electricity, or food, or water, or cell phone service. They are not forced to drink out of bacteria laden creeks and streams, or forced to live in cramped, intolerable shelters. The people of Texas and Louisiana who lost their houses and belongings have a certain expectation that someday, with the help of the state and federal governments, their lives will be made whole. The people of Puerto Rico who lost everything, have only the expectation that tomorrow they will still be alive. Here are some of the latest articles regards the Puerto Rico recovery: "Puerto Rico’s Human Catastrophe Is Hedge Funds’ Inhuman Nightmare" www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/puerto-rico-hurricane-debt-creditors"FEMA removes — then restores — statistics about drinking water access and electricity in Puerto Rico from website" www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/10/05/fema-removes-statistics-about-drinking-water-access-and-electricity-in-puerto-rico-from-website/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.2e330c6e6403"Hurricane Maria Relief Efforts Continue As Puerto Rico Recovery Moves At Slow Pace " www.msn.com/en-us/video/watch/hurricane-maria-relief-efforts-continue-as-puerto-rico-recovery-moves-at-slow-pace/vi-AAty4ch"Misery in Puerto Rico: No power, no job, 'enormous' lines" www.ksat.com/news/national/misery-in-puerto-rico-no-power-no-job-enormous-lines"How Many Puerto Ricans Will Leave Home After Hurricane Maria?" www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-many-puerto-ricans-will-leave-home-after-hurricane-maria"Puerto Rico's death toll from Hurricane Maria climbs to 48" "Scores of people still missing" www.ksat.com/news/national/puerto-ricos-death-toll-from-hurricane-maria-now-stands-at-48"3 weeks after Maria, Puerto Rico's pain is unending" www.ksat.com/news/national/3-weeks-after-maria-puerto-ricos-pain-is-unending"Hospital Ship Takes on Critical Patients in Puerto Rico Crisis" www.dodbuzz.com/2017/10/05/hospital-ship-takes-critical-patients-puerto-rico-crisis/I'll post more updates as they come in! All this is mostly fake news by CNN and 100% wrong , the poster is not thinking correctly , the USA is doing all they can , this garbage is from Flag & Country haters for personal reason , GO there with your body ans money to help |
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Post by jrchico on Oct 16, 2017 10:36:37 GMT -5
I started this thread for one reason only: Puerto Rican's are not only American citizens, but also human. And after almost a month after hurricane Maria leveled the island, the people have been subjected to no electricity, no food, no water, no cell phone service and for those whose houses were destroyed, no place to live! It is known that 48 have died, and of those 48, 5 have died due to the lack of response. Also, due to the lack of communication, it is still unknown how many have been killed (over a hundred have been reported as missing), how many houses have been destroyed or how many people have been displaced! The orange orangutan sitting in the WH has threatened to end the FEMA recovery! The huge hospital ship Comfort, floating in a Puerto Rican harbor, capable of caring for thousands of patients, has a total of 8!! The other reason I started this thread, is that the same recovery ineptitude cannot be said for Texas and Louisiana. Those American citizens are not without electricity, or food, or water, or cell phone service. They are not forced to drink out of bacteria laden creeks and streams, or forced to live in cramped, intolerable shelters. The people of Texas and Louisiana who lost their houses and belongings have a certain expectation that someday, with the help of the state and federal governments, their lives will be made whole. The people of Puerto Rico who lost everything, have only the expectation that tomorrow they will still be alive. Here are some of the latest articles regards the Puerto Rico recovery: "Puerto Rico’s Human Catastrophe Is Hedge Funds’ Inhuman Nightmare" www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/puerto-rico-hurricane-debt-creditors"FEMA removes — then restores — statistics about drinking water access and electricity in Puerto Rico from website" www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/10/05/fema-removes-statistics-about-drinking-water-access-and-electricity-in-puerto-rico-from-website/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.2e330c6e6403"Hurricane Maria Relief Efforts Continue As Puerto Rico Recovery Moves At Slow Pace " www.msn.com/en-us/video/watch/hurricane-maria-relief-efforts-continue-as-puerto-rico-recovery-moves-at-slow-pace/vi-AAty4ch"Misery in Puerto Rico: No power, no job, 'enormous' lines" www.ksat.com/news/national/misery-in-puerto-rico-no-power-no-job-enormous-lines"How Many Puerto Ricans Will Leave Home After Hurricane Maria?" www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-many-puerto-ricans-will-leave-home-after-hurricane-maria"Puerto Rico's death toll from Hurricane Maria climbs to 48" "Scores of people still missing" www.ksat.com/news/national/puerto-ricos-death-toll-from-hurricane-maria-now-stands-at-48"3 weeks after Maria, Puerto Rico's pain is unending" www.ksat.com/news/national/3-weeks-after-maria-puerto-ricos-pain-is-unending"Hospital Ship Takes on Critical Patients in Puerto Rico Crisis" www.dodbuzz.com/2017/10/05/hospital-ship-takes-critical-patients-puerto-rico-crisis/I'll post more updates as they come in! Quote something from Fox News and i might believe it. All of your sources have been guilty of publishing fake news again and again. It is my understanding that this small territory is getting a slow response to their problems because they are over 1000 miles from the nearest available help. Some of them are just moving to the US which is a good idea for them. |
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Post by agog on Oct 16, 2017 11:06:50 GMT -5
As far as the numbers for people and neighborhoods still without electricity, there are two main reasons for the seeming delay. The first is there are higher priorities for hospitals, elderly care facilities and so forth. The second is the downed power lines and blocked roads will take longer for crews to deal with than if the damage was more localized.
To say the response is slow because of White racism is mean, self righteous liberal think.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 11:36:27 GMT -5
The national guard should have been there ages ago distributing aid and working on infrastructure just like they were in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. Our President is a pitiful joke.
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Post by gordy on Oct 16, 2017 14:56:41 GMT -5
As far as the numbers for people and neighborhoods still without electricity, there are two main reasons for the seeming delay. The first is there are higher priorities for hospitals, elderly care facilities and so forth. The second is the downed power lines and blocked roads will take longer for crews to deal with than if the damage was more localized. To say the response is slow because of White racism is mean, self righteous liberal think. Agog.... I acknowledge that you are an Admin and entitled to opinion like anyone else but if you are going to make opinion and poke people in the eye for their opinion then rebuttal in like kind is fair play.
I can agree with your feeling that negative issues regarding aid to Puerto Rico are not caused by White racism. Like many people from the US and abroad, I feel that Pres Trump is a lame duck without any sense of diplomacy or political savvy. He flip-flops daily about issues and the ability of his own republican people. Given this reality it is little wonder that he lacks appreciation of the true situation in Puerto Rico. To date, I feel that FEMA has proven to be fairly inept in dealing with the magnitude of this type of devastation. They appear to lack the organization and leadership to deal with the multifaceted problems on the island. I believe what is needed is a military presence to provide unequivocal authority in providing leadership, organization and law & order. The military is more than capable of bringing together construction engineering resources, medical aid and the logistics needed for supply and distribution. However, this won't happen until the WH wakes up and commits federal military aid to Puerto Rico until it gains some ability to handle repair and maintenance of it's infrastructure which first must be restored to some working level.
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Post by BOGC on Oct 16, 2017 15:47:08 GMT -5
As far as the numbers for people and neighborhoods still without electricity, there are two main reasons for the seeming delay. The first is there are higher priorities for hospitals, elderly care facilities and so forth. The second is the downed power lines and blocked roads will take longer for crews to deal with than if the damage was more localized. To say the response is slow because of White racism is mean, self righteous liberal think. Agog.... I acknowledge that you are an Admin and entitled to opinion like anyone else but if you are going to make opinion and poke people in the eye for their opinion then rebuttal in like kind is fair play.
I can agree with your feeling that negative issues regarding aid to Puerto Rico are not caused by White racism. Like many people from the US and abroad, I feel that Pres Trump is a lame duck without any sense of diplomacy or political savvy. He flip-flops daily about issues and the ability of his own republican people. Given this reality it is little wonder that he lacks appreciation of the true situation in Puerto Rico. To date, I feel that FEMA has proven to be fairly inept in dealing with the magnitude of this type of devastation. They appear to lack the organization and leadership to deal with the multifaceted problems on the island. I believe what is needed is a military presence to provide unequivocal authority in providing leadership, organization and law & order. The military is more than capable of bringing together construction engineering resources, medical aid and the logistics needed for supply and distribution. However, this won't happen until the WH wakes up and commits federal military aid to Puerto Rico until it gains some ability to handle repair and maintenance of it's infrastructure which first must be restored to some working level.
PR's infrastructure was crumbling before the hurricane. PR's infrastructure should have been PR's responsibility all along, not another excuse for a federal bailout. So the hurricane comes along and demolishes what was already broken. Even with FEMA and the Army Corps of Engineers (yes, they're there too) and others, rebuilding an entire region's infrastructure does not happen in a few weeks, or generally even in a few months. And although given the poor economy and low average wages in PR it's not likely that they'll pull their own weight in participating in their restoration (either infrastructure or economic), it's not particularly right that everyone else has to also pay for what follows from decades of incompetent and/or corrupt government there. AFAFIK every federal department or agency that has any authority to be there is there, doing what they can, which given that both funds and manpower are finite and they all have other responsibilities that they can't let slide, can't possibly be everything that needs doing by somebody. So unless it's incompetent to fail to bring in a few thousand military heavy trucks (a bit better able to travel damaged roads than most civilian trucks) and drivers to bypass all the local excuses for getting goods and parts distributed, I just don't see that any question of federal competence applies. |
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Post by jrchico on Oct 16, 2017 16:00:53 GMT -5
Agog.... I acknowledge that you are an Admin and entitled to opinion like anyone else but if you are going to make opinion and poke people in the eye for their opinion then rebuttal in like kind is fair play.
I can agree with your feeling that negative issues regarding aid to Puerto Rico are not caused by White racism. Like many people from the US and abroad, I feel that Pres Trump is a lame duck without any sense of diplomacy or political savvy. He flip-flops daily about issues and the ability of his own republican people. Given this reality it is little wonder that he lacks appreciation of the true situation in Puerto Rico. To date, I feel that FEMA has proven to be fairly inept in dealing with the magnitude of this type of devastation. They appear to lack the organization and leadership to deal with the multifaceted problems on the island. I believe what is needed is a military presence to provide unequivocal authority in providing leadership, organization and law & order. The military is more than capable of bringing together construction engineering resources, medical aid and the logistics needed for supply and distribution. However, this won't happen until the WH wakes up and commits federal military aid to Puerto Rico until it gains some ability to handle repair and maintenance of it's infrastructure which first must be restored to some working level.
PR's infrastructure was crumbling before the hurricane. PR's infrastructure should have been PR's responsibility all along, not another excuse for a federal bailout. So the hurricane comes along and demolishes what was already broken. Even with FEMA and the Army Corps of Engineers (yes, they're there too) and others, rebuilding an entire region's infrastructure does not happen in a few weeks, or generally even in a few months. And although given the poor economy and low average wages in PR it's not likely that they'll pull their own weight in participating in their restoration (either infrastructure or economic), it's not particularly right that everyone else has to also pay for what follows from decades of incompetent and/or corrupt government there. AFAFIK every federal department or agency that has any authority to be there is there, doing what they can, which given that both funds and manpower are finite and they all have other responsibilities that they can't let slide, can't possibly be everything that needs doing by somebody. So unless it's incompetent to fail to bring in a few thousand military heavy trucks (a bit better able to travel damaged roads than most civilian trucks) and drivers to bypass all the local excuses for getting goods and parts distributed, I just don't see that any question of federal competence applies. Finally, another man with his eyes wide open.  |
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Post by BOGC on Oct 16, 2017 16:31:58 GMT -5
For the curious, actual information: status.pr (may take a few tries) The worst is the power, always unreliable (frequent blackouts long before the hurricane) at 13.7%. Water (by count of meters served) is at 72%; gas and supermarkets mostly open, more than half the hospitals have electricity, and even those that don't may be minimally functional. |
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Post by jrchico on Oct 16, 2017 16:49:49 GMT -5
For the curious, actual information: status.pr (may take a few tries) The worst is the power, always unreliable (frequent blackouts long before the hurricane) at 13.7%. Water (by count of meters served) is at 72%; gas and supermarkets mostly open, more than half the hospitals have electricity, and even those that don't may be minimally functional. Great info. I doubt if you could find a more reliable source of information. |
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Post by gordy on Oct 16, 2017 20:07:25 GMT -5
Interesting stats.....wonder what they would look like without the influence of those for San Juan.....bet it would be a completely different picture.
I do not refute that there are several organizations present in Puerto Rico trying to contribute in some way. However, the old saying applies here.....Too many cooks spoil the broth. At any one time there is only one executive chef in the kitchen.....you may have a sous chef, a pastry chef, a station chef and any of several more in a large kitchen. Only one commands the kitchen and everyone else is subordinate. What we have in Puerto Rico is a first class "Cluster F*** ". The picture is that the Govenor has been handed the baton and informed by the WH to go forth and lead all in the recovery of your island. The Govenor has no experience in leading a diverse group of organizations in restoring his island from the most devastation the island has ever encountered.
You simply don't turn over a KOMATSU D375A-6 Bulldozer to an office worker so that he can put six drivers into it at the same time and tell them to go fix things as best they can.
The big problem is not the lack of supplies and material nor insufficient manpower. The critical thing that is missing is organization of the collective resources available being led by knowledgeable leadership that is experienced in leading diversified groups. What we have here is a situation where the brain has gone to sleep so the a**hole has assumed leadership of all functions of the body.
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Post by jrchico on Oct 16, 2017 20:50:39 GMT -5
Interesting stats.....wonder what they would look like without the influence of those for San Juan.....bet it would be a completely different picture. I do not refute that there are several organizations present in Puerto Rico trying to contribute in some way. However, the old saying applies here.....Too many cooks spoil the broth. At any one time there is only one executive chef in the kitchen.....you may have a sous chef, a pastry chef, a station chef and any of several more in a large kitchen. Only one commands the kitchen and everyone else is subordinate. What we have in Puerto Rico is a first class "Cluster F*** ". The picture is that the Govenor has been handed the baton and informed by the WH to go forth and lead all in the recovery of your island. The Govenor has no experience in leading a diverse group of organizations in restoring his island from the most devastation the island has ever encountered. You simply don't turn over a KOMATSU D375A-6 Bulldozer to an office worker so that he can put six drivers into it at the same time and tell them to go fix things as best they can. The big problem is not the lack of supplies and material nor insufficient manpower. The critical thing that is missing is organization of the collective resources available being led by knowledgeable leadership that is experienced in leading diversified groups. What we have here is a situation where the brain has gone to sleep so the a**hole has assumed leadership of all functions of the body. Pretty harsh judgment for someone who is not on site and is strictly relying on fake news from networks that want us to look bad. Maybe someone should be interviewing some of the people that have evacuated to the Mainland US and find out what they think. |
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Post by jrchico on Oct 16, 2017 20:55:05 GMT -5
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Post by gordy on Oct 16, 2017 21:55:31 GMT -5
Very poor source for factual reporting. Foxnews is only marginally better than the National Enquiror. If any source could be singled out for "fake news" Fox would head the list.
Notwithstanding my impression of Foxnews' value, it does appear to support what I have been stating. Finally they are sending in a senior Military leader to organize (I hope) the combined efforts of all resources both military and civilian. I would bet that prior to this the military that is in Puerto Rico were doing reasonably well and would have done better if they didn't need to stumble over civilian flip flops. Step one for the new General is to put FEMA in uniform, teach them how to salute military officers and place them under control some "motherly" Senior NCO's.
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Post by agog on Oct 16, 2017 23:08:36 GMT -5
As far as the numbers for people and neighborhoods still without electricity, there are two main reasons for the seeming delay. The first is there are higher priorities for hospitals, elderly care facilities and so forth. The second is the downed power lines and blocked roads will take longer for crews to deal with than if the damage was more localized. To say the response is slow because of White racism is mean, self righteous liberal think. Agog.... I acknowledge that you are an Admin and entitled to opinion like anyone else but if you are going to make opinion and poke people in the eye for their opinion then rebuttal in like kind is fair play.
I can agree with your feeling that negative issues regarding aid to Puerto Rico are not caused by White racism. Like many people from the US and abroad, I feel that Pres Trump is a lame duck without any sense of diplomacy or political savvy. He flip-flops daily about issues and the ability of his own republican people. Given this reality it is little wonder that he lacks appreciation of the true situation in Puerto Rico. To date, I feel that FEMA has proven to be fairly inept in dealing with the magnitude of this type of devastation. They appear to lack the organization and leadership to deal with the multifaceted problems on the island. I believe what is needed is a military presence to provide unequivocal authority in providing leadership, organization and law & order. The military is more than capable of bringing together construction engineering resources, medical aid and the logistics needed for supply and distribution. However, this won't happen until the WH wakes up and commits federal military aid to Puerto Rico until it gains some ability to handle repair and maintenance of it's infrastructure which first must be restored to some working level.
Gordy. No sweat about me being an admin here. I ain't done no adminin' yet and don't think I'll be called on to do so. We're only going to jump on sexually obscene posts (Which we have had a spate of but that seems to have abated after a bunch of deletions) and truly over the top foul language. Otherwise it's a wide open site. This site was conceived by socalfan to be a much more freewheeling place than the other proboards site. A place where the remnants of Amazon will feel free to participate without much admin type moderation at all. As far as me poking someone in the eye, well if they are going to say relief for P.R. is being delayed because of white racism, Oh H yes I'm going to respond. It IS self righteous lib bs. I see that post and poster has bugged out. Not surprising. It's his trade mark. Feel free to disagree and debate Gordy. You won't get anything from me but agreement or disagreement. No adminy bs. Personally I have my problems with President Trump, but I thank God Hillary wasn't elected. Good to see you here |
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