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Post by Beachguy on Jan 22, 2018 14:05:24 GMT -5
No, it's the result of decades of neglect, and considerable local corruption as well. Their electrical grid was a disaster before Maria, with something like four times as much outage as the average elsewhere in the US. It was bankrupt, and deferring preventive maintenance (like tree-trimming, or replacing equipment near failure) that had it been done, with have considerably reduced the impact of Maria. Before Maria, there was little that a new administration would have done. After, FEMA, the Army Corps of Engineers, a hospital ship, a bunch of reservists, and just about any department that could do anything useful was there. But they can't work magic. There aren't enough people there qualified to fix the grid. The local electrical monopoly issued a no-bid contract to a company that may not be qualified to do the work (something that instigated a federal investigation); they've now been forced by the PR government to cancel the contract. Plenty is still being done: www.washingtonexaminer.com/utility-workers-feds-ready-major-new-push-to-fix-puerto-ricos-grid/article/2644466And this "decades of neglect and local corruption" was of course the fault of the poor Puerto Rican people and they should suffer as a result? No amount of passing this inhumane act off to anything other than a Lebensraum ideology, will justify the pure and unadulterated hatred by the current president for any culture that speaks Spanish. And, why should those that stand idly by and watch this persecution of American citizens not be held accountable for the result of such inaction? What the Puerto Rican's have gone through and are still going through, is the direct result of the racist white supremacist sitting in the Oval Office. o brother , this is trash from a non-thinking hate mouth , fake news as always , perhaps the mind is not working correctly . |
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Post by Beachguy on Jan 29, 2018 15:07:28 GMT -5
Stuff happens from Mother Nature , send your money and blood if you can or wish |
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Post by BOGC on Feb 4, 2018 17:45:28 GMT -5
I always considered myself pretty self sufficient, I never could understand how after just a couple of days of a major disaster so many people act like they are going to die with out government support. No food, no water, no heat. I would rather the government leave me alone and just take care of business. I don't think Puerco Rico wants the US to get them back in pre-hurricane shape, they are going to use the occasion to bleed us as much as possible. Millions of people, like me, live in towns and cities. We use the municipal water supply.They, like me, rely on the local grocery store for food and the trucks to bring it to the grocery store. If either, or both, are disrupted we have no food and the government has to help. Oh, we can hoard a week or two of food and water, but it will eventually run out.
I always have plenty of food on hand for my cats and I can get water at the river, but I can't afford to hoard food for myself. Well, I suppose I could do a can here or there so I really have no excuse, but it wouldn't last for months.
The Flat River (near you, I believe) is not bad, but AFAIK it has high e. coli counts (not all e. coli is dangerous, but some varieties are). For long period use with that, a Doulton or Berkey filter (micro-porous ceramic made out of diatomaceous earth) is a good solution, but they are expensive. The upside is that the filter elements last a very long time, and if they start to get clogged, scrubbing the outside of them with a dish scrubber will get them back to usable. Those units are gravity feed, and the larger ones can filter enough drinking or cooking water from their top tank to their lower one, to provide for a fair sized group of people. That technology has been used since the 1800's, it's what the folks used that traveled to places with no safe water. Lacking a filter, boil the water. Or use plain unscented chlorine bleach; how much to use used to be on the labels. 1/4 teaspoon per gallon is what I find; stir it in and let it sit for an hour. If there's zero chlorine smell then, repeat that (since it may have gotten used up neutralizing contaminants). For canned or other long-term food, just rotate it; use it and replace it. Not bad to keep a stash not just for storms or whatever, but a little extra for times $$ get real tight; you may not have your favorites, but you won't starve. Dry beans and dry rice and powdered milk are good (beans and rice together, for better balance), as long as you have a source of water and heat (to cook the beans and rice). Store in metal or glass containers that are rodent and bug-proof. Over the course of a year or two, even someone on a tight budget should be able to do something in the way of preparedness. Part of the problem was that PR was incompetently run (the local government) for ages; they weren't set up to survive much. And because of the way the wind usually hits the island, I'm told (by someone born there) that they've often been fairly lucky about storms. Problem with luck, is when it runs out, it runs out _hard_, and certainly takes advantage of laxity, both collective and individual. A few have actually applied their imaginations to do fairly well. One snack stand or something came up with a modified dish that could be made using available supplies and equipment, and it turned out to be fairly popular. I also hear reports that the low unemployment on the mainland has had some employers looking to bring people from PR, even willing to provide for occasional return trips to visit family, etc. |
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Post by BOGC on Feb 4, 2018 18:07:05 GMT -5
No, it's the result of decades of neglect, and considerable local corruption as well. Their electrical grid was a disaster before Maria, with something like four times as much outage as the average elsewhere in the US. It was bankrupt, and deferring preventive maintenance (like tree-trimming, or replacing equipment near failure) that had it been done, with have considerably reduced the impact of Maria. Before Maria, there was little that a new administration would have done. After, FEMA, the Army Corps of Engineers, a hospital ship, a bunch of reservists, and just about any department that could do anything useful was there. But they can't work magic. There aren't enough people there qualified to fix the grid. The local electrical monopoly issued a no-bid contract to a company that may not be qualified to do the work (something that instigated a federal investigation); they've now been forced by the PR government to cancel the contract. Plenty is still being done: www.washingtonexaminer.com/utility-workers-feds-ready-major-new-push-to-fix-puerto-ricos-grid/article/2644466And this "decades of neglect and local corruption" was of course the fault of the poor Puerto Rican people and they should suffer as a result? No amount of passing this inhumane act off to anything other than a Lebensraum ideology, will justify the pure and unadulterated hatred by the current president for any culture that speaks Spanish. And, why should those that stand idly by and watch this persecution of American citizens not be held accountable for the result of such inaction? What the Puerto Rican's have gone through and are still going through, is the direct result of the racist white supremacist sitting in the Oval Office. What part of "local corruption" did you not understand? Theoretically, they have a representative local government. So, yes, they enabled that corruption by not voting the b@stards out. That's not to imply that there's justice in the resulting misery. But neither is there a lot of justice in expecting a humungous multi-billion dollar bailout to be paid for by lots of taxpayers that had NOTHING to do with it, including even (legal) Spanish speaking immigrants that came here long after the US acquired Puerto Rico. Describing neglect that includes self-neglect as racism is utterly disingenuous. Almost all communities that have serious problems, have them not because of the color of their skin, or even because of poverty, but because all but a few have just given up at any attempt to do what they can _themselves_ to improve their community. Granted that history including racism may have set them up to fail, it's _still_ first and foremost their responsibility to overcome that. Nobody can break a glass ceiling for you, you have to do it yourself, on hard work and merit that more than compete with the "privileged" person that takes their privilege for granted and goofs off. Now, that doesn't mean nothing should be done or nothing is being done. To the contrary: www.inman.com/2018/02/01/hud-awards-1-5-billion-for-puerto-rico-hurricane-recovery/But even tens of billions of $$ wouldn't do any dang good until the situation on the ground is ready to do something non-wasteful with them. It's like what they say about a software project: five times as many programmers will NOT get it done five times as fast (since they have to work together, and some of the work depends on other parts being done first). I don't think this is taking longer than realistic expectations (regardless of which party of nattering fools has the Presidency). And I think that a lot of the spin (the Daily Kos is notoriously left-wing, for example) is just that, spin. Or else the corrupt PR government is lying about conditions, which don't look that bad anymore: status.pr Not that that means much to those whose services still haven't been restored. But someone somewhere is always last, pooped on, abused, neglected, cheated. Deal with it; life is rude like that to everyone, sooner or later; even the supposedly privileged end their lives by dying. Although some multi-billionaires like Larry Ellison are trying to buy their way around that (and I'm sure it's not scalable for everyone!), but then, nothing says that rich people can't be crazy too. |
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Post by Beachguy on Feb 7, 2018 11:39:07 GMT -5
And this "decades of neglect and local corruption" was of course the fault of the poor Puerto Rican people and they should suffer as a result? No amount of passing this inhumane act off to anything other than a Lebensraum ideology, will justify the pure and unadulterated hatred by the current president for any culture that speaks Spanish. And, why should those that stand idly by and watch this persecution of American citizens not be held accountable for the result of such inaction? What the Puerto Rican's have gone through and are still going through, is the direct result of the racist white supremacist sitting in the Oval Office. What part of "local corruption" did you not understand? Theoretically, they have a representative local government. So, yes, they enabled that corruption by not voting the b@stards out. That's not to imply that there's justice in the resulting misery. But neither is there a lot of justice in expecting a humungous multi-billion dollar bailout to be paid for by lots of taxpayers that had NOTHING to do with it, including even (legal) Spanish speaking immigrants that came here long after the US acquired Puerto Rico. Describing neglect that includes self-neglect as racism is utterly disingenuous. Almost all communities that have serious problems, have them not because of the color of their skin, or even because of poverty, but because all but a few have just given up at any attempt to do what they can _themselves_ to improve their community. Granted that history including racism may have set them up to fail, it's _still_ first and foremost their responsibility to overcome that. Nobody can break a glass ceiling for you, you have to do it yourself, on hard work and merit that more than compete with the "privileged" person that takes their privilege for granted and goofs off. Now, that doesn't mean nothing should be done or nothing is being done. To the contrary: www.inman.com/2018/02/01/hud-awards-1-5-billion-for-puerto-rico-hurricane-recovery/But even tens of billions of $$ wouldn't do any dang good until the situation on the ground is ready to do something non-wasteful with them. It's like what they say about a software project: five times as many programmers will NOT get it done five times as fast (since they have to work together, and some of the work depends on other parts being done first). I don't think this is taking longer than realistic expectations (regardless of which party of nattering fools has the Presidency). And I think that a lot of the spin (the Daily Kos is notoriously left-wing, for example) is just that, spin. Or else the corrupt PR government is lying about conditions, which don't look that bad anymore: status.pr Not that that means much to those whose services still haven't been restored. But someone somewhere is always last, pooped on, abused, neglected, cheated. Deal with it; life is rude like that to everyone, sooner or later; even the supposedly privileged end their lives by dying. Although some multi-billionaires like Larry Ellison are trying to buy their way around that (and I'm sure it's not scalable for everyone!), but then, nothing says that rich people can't be crazy too. Agree , if you gave them a trillion they would rob it , the people living in a country needs to take care of it by them not other people tax money , you make your bed , let the do good people give their money and go over there to help .sorry not my tax money . |
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Post by Beachguy on Feb 7, 2018 11:42:02 GMT -5
O good , Mr Trump is making America great again in time , the foolish haters will soon run and hide or die . does Puerto Rico need out houses to use the scrap you spread ? please post your own present photo in place of Jackie on your profile , let us see you |
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Post by BOGC on Feb 7, 2018 11:46:48 GMT -5
This year, there's not a lot of difference between a flu shot and a shot of distilled water. Effectiveness, usually only 40%-60% for flu shots (compared to 90%+ for most other vaccinations) is down around 20%. Prayer, even if it only has placebo effect, might be more effective than that. (It is however irresponsible for someone to offer medical advice when they're not a doctor, pharmacist, or other medical professional. And while there are plenty of ministers, priests, rabbis, etc that are good people, my opinion of televangelists in general is pretty darn low; if nothing else, the pride of thinking they can go large-scale is the first step down the road to corruption, let alone empty showmanship and profiteering.) But some televangelist is certainly not a health care advisor. They're a back-bencher during the campaign, to appeal to a certain portion of voters, and/or advise on what might appeal to them (not nearly as bad as similar pandering in the form of Obama associating with vile people like Ayers or Farrakhan). That bizarre line was certainly not plausible as advice to Trump or in any official government capacity. You're starting out with the assumption that the pattern is that someone you don't like is either a jerk or incompetent or both, and fitting everything to that pattern, whether it really fits or not. |
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Post by Beachguy on Feb 7, 2018 12:29:43 GMT -5
This year, there's not a lot of difference between a flu shot and a shot of distilled water. Effectiveness, usually only 40%-60% for flu shots (compared to 90%+ for most other vaccinations) is down around 20%. Prayer, even if it only has placebo effect, might be more effective than that. (It is however irresponsible for someone to offer medical advice when they're not a doctor, pharmacist, or other medical professional. And while there are plenty of ministers, priests, rabbis, etc that are good people, my opinion of televangelists in general is pretty darn low; if nothing else, the pride of thinking they can go large-scale is the first step down the road to corruption, let alone empty showmanship and profiteering.) But some televangelist is certainly not a health care advisor. They're a back-bencher during the campaign, to appeal to a certain portion of voters, and/or advise on what might appeal to them (not nearly as bad as similar pandering in the form of Obama associating with vile people like Ayers or Farrakhan). That bizarre line was certainly not plausible as advice to Trump or in any official government capacity. You're starting out with the assumption that the pattern is that someone you don't like is either a jerk or incompetent or both, and fitting everything to that pattern, whether it really fits or not. Well said , preachers words do not stop germs that can be dangerous , yes some foolish posters believe they are right and you are wrong if not seeing it their way , their minds are closed and one sided .who went to church that preached hate of whites ? a pal of Farrakhan |
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Post by agog on Feb 7, 2018 22:33:48 GMT -5
Oh Good! A story that proves anything touched by tRump turns to feces: It's amazing what some people think constitutes "proof." |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 12:03:58 GMT -5
Not aware of that shortcut.... Most people must eat something before it turns to feces.  |
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Post by Beachguy on Feb 8, 2018 13:37:50 GMT -5
Not aware of that shortcut.... Most people must eat something before it turns to feces. Correct ..then  , the USA has turned better in may ways with Mr Trump , keep checking that 401 in years ahead , the haters like this one will be scraping their hate . |
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Post by Beachguy on Feb 8, 2018 13:39:20 GMT -5
Oh Good! A story that proves anything touched by tRump turns to feces: It's amazing what some people think constitutes "proof." Willyiams' post is proof of scrap |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 15:40:11 GMT -5
Not aware of that shortcut.... Most people must eat something before it turns to feces. Correct ..then , the USA has turned better in may ways with Mr Trump , keep checking that 401 in years ahead , the haters like this one will be scraping their hate . It's only natural that a man like President Trump would be elected. This country was swinging so far left that it nearly fell off the map. A swing to the right corrects that every time. See how it works?   |
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Post by Beachguy on Feb 9, 2018 14:26:18 GMT -5
Correct ..then , the USA has turned better in may ways with Mr Trump , keep checking that 401 in years ahead , the haters like this one will be scraping their hate . It's only natural that a man like President Trump would be elected. This country was swinging so far left that it nearly fell off the map. A swing to the right corrects that every time. See how it works? Now ben that is back & forth like the stock market , it all goes back to the beginning like us .  the world is round . |
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, the USA has turned better in may ways with Mr Trump , keep checking that 401 in years ahead , the haters like this one will be scraping their hate .
the world is round .