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Post by jrchico on Nov 13, 2017 20:04:19 GMT -5
If you live in CA. it might be a little tough to survive a major earthquake without a little help. I am not saying not have the government help, but if they knew everyone had 2 weeks of supplies it would be a tremendous help in all major emergencies. They could better help the injured, I can't see why with all the gear that is available that any person in normal or even near normal health couldn't have what it takes to live comfortably 2 weeks with all outside utilities cut off. Gee, i am used to doing that every year during deer season providing we don't fill all of our tags before that.  |
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Post by richard on Nov 13, 2017 20:49:50 GMT -5
I am not saying not have the government help, but if they knew everyone had 2 weeks of supplies it would be a tremendous help in all major emergencies. They could better help the injured, I can't see why with all the gear that is available that any person in normal or even near normal health couldn't have what it takes to live comfortably 2 weeks with all outside utilities cut off. Gee, i am used to doing that every year during deer season providing we don't fill all of our tags before that. Well there you go there are a lot of hunters, farmers, campers, backpackers etc that could make it a couple of weeks without outside help. As for the gangs I was reading one state alone had 600,000 registered hunters. City gangs with pistols or rifles that they never shot would not be any match once hunters, target shooters and vets in the rural areas got organized. |
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Post by gordy on Nov 13, 2017 22:26:12 GMT -5
I really think you lack the understanding of a major catastrophic event such as hurricane Maria. Here is a vid clip of some of the damage caused to individuals .......... www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/21/puerto-rico-hurricane-maria-storm-floods .... Picture yourself and your family asleep when this occurred and you need to dig yourself and your family out of the rubble that used to be your home and sanctuary. Where do you think your 2 week supply of food is? If you need to find it below flood waters do you think you will be successful? Do you think you will be in a clear and focused frame of mind? If you are able to pull yourself together you might realize that you no longer have an emergency food supply, no fresh water, no money, no electricity, no toilet paper after you do your business in what might be your street currently under a few feet of water. You are truly up the creek without a boat or a paddle. Not to worry some food and bottled water may be available from the government in the next port town when I build a raft and find my way to the vast lineup of people seeking the same relief. |
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Post by richard on Nov 13, 2017 23:52:15 GMT -5
I really think you lack the understanding of a major catastrophic event such as hurricane Maria. Here is a vid clip of some of the damage caused to individuals .......... www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/21/puerto-rico-hurricane-maria-storm-floods .... Picture yourself and your family asleep when this occurred and you need to dig yourself and your family out of the rubble that used to be your home and sanctuary. Where do you think your 2 week supply of food is? If you need to find it below flood waters do you think you will be successful? Do you think you will be in a clear and focused frame of mind? If you are able to pull yourself together you might realize that you no longer have an emergency food supply, no fresh water, no money, no electricity, no toilet paper after you do your business in what might be your street currently under a few feet of water. You are truly up the creek without a boat or a paddle. Not to worry some food and bottled water may be available from the government in the next port town when I build a raft and find my way to the vast lineup of people seeking the same relief. Just like hurricane Katharine, how many days warning did they have. A good week I believe I would take what I need and go to a safe place well before TSHTF. Yes there are always things like the tsunami that hit Japan without warning but for almost anything I have seen in America the people had plenty of warning. I would bet 90% of the people that are in big trouble after a main even do not have their food, water,gun etc buried under dirt or water, but never had more than a day or two to began with. |
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Post by agog on Nov 14, 2017 0:26:49 GMT -5
That's why "canned goods and shotguns" are the advice for collapse. The best strategy is to have family, friends and neighbors you have already vetted and are on the same page. It's true that people who are seeing their children go hungry for more than a day or two will resort to any means to acquire their needs. It ain't pretty. Havin under several feet of rubble along with all your tools needed to dig out your precious things needed for survival.g canned goods and weapons to protect that which is needed to look after your family is of little value if it is buried If your friends and neighbors, which you have screened, are busy digging their supplies or family out of the rubble or treading in fast moving water that has flooded theirs and your neighborhood then you may have need of rapid government help. Even if what you need could be purchased, it provides little comfort if the power is out and the ATM won't fulfill your needs nor will the gas station pumps provide you with fuel to get to someplace where you might find an operating ATM. Of course the functioning ATM may be out of money by the time you find it. It would have been handy if that bridge or culvert hadn't washed out forcing you to find a detour.
The reason why FEMA exists or the Armed Forces have been trained in national survival techniques is so that they may bring organized and rapid relief to areas needing structured assistance. A basket full of goodies dumped in an area such as occurred in Puerto Rico is of little value unless there is a distribution structure in place otherwise simply use a Hercules aircraft or something similar and skid drop it as you fly over the stricken area......for all the good that would do.
For many victims in a major disaster their raison d'être is "me first, me second and anything left over....me again, when that is taken care of then I may have a bit of time to help you." Don't forget the looters who also have needs.
You covered a lot there Gordie. "Havin under several feet of rubble along with all your tools needed to dig out your precious things needed for survival.g canned goods and weapons to protect that which is needed to look after your family is of little value if it is buried" That's true as far as it goes G. I'm sure you're not suggesting one shouldn't have supplies set back. If my canned goods and shotguns are buried I'll dig with my hands or a tree branch till I have them. If my pistol and several hi-cap mags are buried, fuggitaboutit, cause I'm buried with them. Lol. "If your friends and neighbors, which you have screened, are busy digging their supplies or family out of the rubble or treading in fast moving water that has flooded theirs and your neighborhood then you may have need of rapid government help. Even if what you need could be purchased, it provides little comfort if the power is out and the ATM won't fulfill your needs nor will the gas station pumps provide you with fuel to get to someplace where you might find an operating ATM. Of course the functioning ATM may be out of money by the time you find it. It would have been handy if that bridge or culvert hadn't washed out forcing you to find a detour." Again, are you saying don't bother laying back supplies because you may not survive? There will always be scenarios which are virtually unsurvivable. Think of the footage from the Fukashima tsunami. Thousands of people saw it coming for a minute or two and couldn't escape the deluge. A few years back a man's house was swallowed by a sinkhole at night. People heard him alive the next day but rescue was too dangerous. He died. What can one do about such things? Not much. But if you survive the hurricane, or the power outage or whatever you and your dependents will be glad you have the three B'b standing by. In the Army, the three B's are Beans, Bullets and Bandages. If you networked with neighbors, everyone can help each other out. And of course one would hope for a quick response from the government. Neither you or me live in a third world setting. It still could take days for the very first help to arrive. On a long enough time line, we're all dead. But there are things which are more survivable with some provisions lardered away than without anything kept for emergencies. |
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Post by gordy on Nov 14, 2017 14:03:02 GMT -5
Agog....I most certainly agree that it really behooves everyone to prepare and minimize the affects of a major disaster upon ones survival. However, the devastation on Puerto Rico was wide spread over the island and no way to get 3.7 million off, even with advance warning. Immediately after disaster struck, the island's infrastructure basically disappeared. Those people concerned with public works and their family would have experienced the same affects as the retail store employee. Likely they would have experienced the same sense of despair and shock at having their life turned upside down.
It is at that time and under those circumstances that organized relief is needed and necessary for recovery. Dropping off food and supplies on the docks in San Juan is of no value to the people without food, water, shelter, mental and physical assistance.
The recovery/relief assistance provided by the government to Puerto Rico was simply abysmal. The people of Puerto Rico received lousy treatment from both local and federal government. Blame can be attached to poor leadership but the bottom line is the common resident of the island is the one left holding an empty bag while politicians scramble around finding someone to point a finger at or clap their hands claiming a huge success to people on mainland USA.
Apparently about $94B will be needed to restore the island back to livable status. That is a fairly significant measurement of the amount of damage incurred on the island.
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Post by Beachguy on Nov 15, 2017 11:26:35 GMT -5
Agog....I most certainly agree that it really behooves everyone to prepare and minimize the affects of a major disaster upon ones survival. However, the devastation on Puerto Rico was wide spread over the island and no way to get 3.7 million off, even with advance warning. Immediately after disaster struck, the island's infrastructure basically disappeared. Those people concerned with public works and their family would have experienced the same affects as the retail store employee. Likely they would have experienced the same sense of despair and shock at having their life turned upside down. It is at that time and under those circumstances that organized relief is needed and necessary for recovery. Dropping off food and supplies on the docks in San Juan is of no value to the people without food, water, shelter, mental and physical assistance. The recovery/relief assistance provided by the government to Puerto Rico was simply abysmal. The people of Puerto Rico received lousy treatment from both local and federal government. Blame can be attached to poor leadership but the bottom line is the common resident of the island is the one left holding an empty bag while politicians scramble around finding someone to point a finger at or clap their hands claiming a huge success to people on mainland USA. Apparently about $94B will be needed to restore the island back to livable status. That is a fairly significant measurement of the amount of damage incurred on the island. You and others may go there to help and start a donation site here, people blaming this or that from here is a joke , pure fake news at it's best . |
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Post by Beachguy on Nov 15, 2017 11:32:57 GMT -5
There are people who do not know what is going on in their own state or country and to think they know what is going on a land many , many miles away is nonsense at best , our government is doing the best it can 100% .
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Post by Beachguy on Dec 27, 2017 13:16:53 GMT -5
I started this thread for one reason only: Puerto Rican's are not only American citizens, but also human. And after almost a month after hurricane Maria leveled the island, the people have been subjected to no electricity, no food, no water, no cell phone service and for those whose houses were destroyed, no place to live! It is known that 48 have died, and of those 48, 5 have died due to the lack of response. Also, due to the lack of communication, it is still unknown how many have been killed (over a hundred have been reported as missing), how many houses have been destroyed or how many people have been displaced! The orange orangutan sitting in the WH has threatened to end the FEMA recovery! The huge hospital ship Comfort, floating in a Puerto Rican harbor, capable of caring for thousands of patients, has a total of 8!! The other reason I started this thread, is that the same recovery ineptitude cannot be said for Texas and Louisiana. Those American citizens are not without electricity, or food, or water, or cell phone service. They are not forced to drink out of bacteria laden creeks and streams, or forced to live in cramped, intolerable shelters. The people of Texas and Louisiana who lost their houses and belongings have a certain expectation that someday, with the help of the state and federal governments, their lives will be made whole. The people of Puerto Rico who lost everything, have only the expectation that tomorrow they will still be alive. Here are some of the latest articles regards the Puerto Rico recovery: "Puerto Rico’s Human Catastrophe Is Hedge Funds’ Inhuman Nightmare" www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/puerto-rico-hurricane-debt-creditors"FEMA removes — then restores — statistics about drinking water access and electricity in Puerto Rico from website" www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/10/05/fema-removes-statistics-about-drinking-water-access-and-electricity-in-puerto-rico-from-website/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.2e330c6e6403"Hurricane Maria Relief Efforts Continue As Puerto Rico Recovery Moves At Slow Pace " www.msn.com/en-us/video/watch/hurricane-maria-relief-efforts-continue-as-puerto-rico-recovery-moves-at-slow-pace/vi-AAty4ch"Misery in Puerto Rico: No power, no job, 'enormous' lines" www.ksat.com/news/national/misery-in-puerto-rico-no-power-no-job-enormous-lines"How Many Puerto Ricans Will Leave Home After Hurricane Maria?" www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-many-puerto-ricans-will-leave-home-after-hurricane-maria"Puerto Rico's death toll from Hurricane Maria climbs to 48" "Scores of people still missing" www.ksat.com/news/national/puerto-ricos-death-toll-from-hurricane-maria-now-stands-at-48"3 weeks after Maria, Puerto Rico's pain is unending" www.ksat.com/news/national/3-weeks-after-maria-puerto-ricos-pain-is-unending"Hospital Ship Takes on Critical Patients in Puerto Rico Crisis" www.dodbuzz.com/2017/10/05/hospital-ship-takes-critical-patients-puerto-rico-crisis/I'll post more updates as they come in! Please due , we can't wait , how much money have you sent ? perhaps you can give a home in your place for a few , please due , how long will you be living there ? , perhaps you can hand it down to them . |
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Post by Beachguy on Dec 27, 2017 13:19:54 GMT -5
I really think you lack the understanding of a major catastrophic event such as hurricane Maria. Here is a vid clip of some of the damage caused to individuals .......... www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/21/puerto-rico-hurricane-maria-storm-floods .... Picture yourself and your family asleep when this occurred and you need to dig yourself and your family out of the rubble that used to be your home and sanctuary. Where do you think your 2 week supply of food is? If you need to find it below flood waters do you think you will be successful? Do you think you will be in a clear and focused frame of mind? If you are able to pull yourself together you might realize that you no longer have an emergency food supply, no fresh water, no money, no electricity, no toilet paper after you do your business in what might be your street currently under a few feet of water. You are truly up the creek without a boat or a paddle. Not to worry some food and bottled water may be available from the government in the next port town when I build a raft and find my way to the vast lineup of people seeking the same relief. """ you lack the understanding """ , o brother !!! no one but you know , you are so amusing , hahaha |
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Post by Beachguy on Dec 27, 2017 13:21:31 GMT -5
where is willy ? i heard he went to Puerto Rico 
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Post by jrchico on Dec 31, 2017 0:09:39 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 9:34:22 GMT -5
A current chronology and timeline of the state of Puerto Rico and V.I. by a reporter who gives a damn! "Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands—2017 review and resolution for 2018 and beyond" www.dailykos.com/stories/1727653 |
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Post by gordy on Jan 1, 2018 1:57:13 GMT -5
At this moment on the west coast at 10:50 PM many in the East have already celebrated New Years......except Puerto Rico which has been left in the dark.
Devastation in Texas, Florida and now California have received all the concerns of continental US but P.R. continues to be left in the dark......week in and week out......month in and month out.
Perhaps it is time that P.R. considered jettisoning the US and look elsewhere for help...... China, Mexico or perhaps Canada.
Truly this is a Trump Dump.
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