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Post by BOGC on Jan 6, 2024 22:18:10 GMT -5
Content-wise, COT (already under development, although way too slowly) had about as little to do with what Jackie performed on TMS as one can imagine. Together with dropping off the radar for nearly a year shortly after the TMS recording and the two early 2020 concerts, of course it didn't help. Had the concert schedule held and she had included in them full length versions of a couple of the songs with broadest appeal that she did on TMS, it probably would have. (my choices for two songs would have been It's All Coming Back to Me Now (dramatic) and Mercy or Unstoppable (True Colors is good but old)) DAAGBF which she later added fits slightly better with the rest of her set list (although none of those I mentioned would clash like DW or MBH) but doesn't broaden the appeal of that set list. In other words, TMS did not advance Jackie's career. Everything else is shoulda woulda coulda. Mostly no. But it may have set the stage to demonstrate (to the new Melody Place management, for example, but also to people already somewhat aware of her) that she could sound quite creditable in genres well outside that for which she was known. So the benefit was slight aside from skills learned, but it's way too early to say whether there was zero benefit.
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Post by donkey on Jan 6, 2024 22:24:27 GMT -5
TMS is a game show and it was a chance for her to have fun, let loose, and do things she couldn't get away with before. It projects a level of narcissism that an artist should always be concerned about their stats. Jackie will always be able to perform, write, record, and tour. As far as donkey, the two face-ness is something that I don't care for.That's because your brain is incapable of holding more than one idea at a time. Donkey and other fans can enjoy Jackie's music while following her career and at the same time find room for improvement. It's the last part of that equation that you aggravates you. Pointing out areas for improvement comes from a desire for Jackie to succeed. It's time you get that, otherwise you are going to continue to bang your head against the wall. It appears that you are continuing to kiss Team E's butt because you are holding out hope that they are reading your comments here. Keep dreaming those dreams, Sims, dream away And it's not two faced. Jackie's social media is for fans to gush and support her ..which I am only too happy to do. This forum allows for honest discussion about the good, the bad, and the ugly...an objective analysis if you will, of Jackie and her career. I've only explained that to you a dozen times misms. You will notice that I never say anything negative about Jackie herself as I think she is a sweet, well meaning person. I will actually defend her if someone attacks her personally. But I am honest about her career. In fact, that's why Socal created this forum...to give people a place to be able to do that. You cant do that on Jackie's social media or in fan forums. It wouldnt be appropriate there...and you would likely get the boot, deservedly so.
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Post by msims on Jan 6, 2024 22:28:56 GMT -5
TMS is a game show and it was a chance for her to have fun, let loose, and do things she couldn't get away with before. It projects a level of narcissism that an artist should always be concerned about their stats. Glad you agree that TMS was a fun thing that didn't advance her career. Jackie is one of 10 or 20 or so (more or less) of the most successful reality show contestants based on the stats. TMS was great for her personally the experience, professionally she could not capitalize on it because of the pandemic, she could not do the nationwide tour that was planned or anything but home made videos. However I have shown stats that showed her followers count increased after TMS and The River video was put out. Considering Rickky goes on an on about that for years, you would think thats relevant. So the question SHOULD BE: what would advance her career. If there are any plans to have another shut down of the touring industry, I would say put the EP/LP release off. She would then need to make TV guest appearances on major networks, crack open that piggy bank and make some music videos that come out prior or after the EP/LP release, as well as do an actual tour and either big name duets or coheadline or opening slots. Her only doing a few gigs is fine given she was recording and writing. Ultimately, its about spending her money and the labels. Thats how she would be advanced. Its about the money. Thats what Sony did to advance her career after AGT, they spent quite a few pesos for a few years and it worked.
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Post by Socal Fan on Jan 6, 2024 22:29:21 GMT -5
And it's not two faced. Jackie's social media is for fans to gush and support her ..which I am only too happy to do. This forum allows for honest discussion about the good, the bad, and the ugly...an objective analysis if you will, of Jackie and her career. Agreed. You gush where gushing is called for and you analyze and evaluate where analysis and evaluation are called for.
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Post by msims on Jan 6, 2024 22:34:14 GMT -5
TMS is a game show and it was a chance for her to have fun, let loose, and do things she couldn't get away with before. It projects a level of narcissism that an artist should always be concerned about their stats. Jackie will always be able to perform, write, record, and tour. As far as donkey, the two face-ness is something that I don't care for.That's because your brain is incapable of holding more than one idea at a time. Donkey and other fans can enjoy Jackie's music while following her career and at the same time find room for improvement. It's the last part of that equation that you aggravates you. Pointing out areas for improvement comes from a desire for Jackie to succeed. It's time you get that, otherwise you are going to continue to bang your head against the wall. It appears that you are continuing to kiss Team E's butt because you are holding out hope that they are reading your comments here. Keep dreaming those dreams, Sims, dream away Two face means you are telling someone how great they are doing, then saying the exact opposite behind their back. The rest of that and other things you said in other posts, you pulled out of your behind.
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Post by donkey on Jan 6, 2024 22:38:40 GMT -5
That's because your brain is incapable of holding more than one idea at a time. Donkey and other fans can enjoy Jackie's music while following her career and at the same time find room for improvement. It's the last part of that equation that you aggravates you. Pointing out areas for improvement comes from a desire for Jackie to succeed. It's time you get that, otherwise you are going to continue to bang your head against the wall. It appears that you are continuing to kiss Team E's butt because you are holding out hope that they are reading your comments here. Keep dreaming those dreams, Sims, dream away Two face means you are telling someone how great they are doing, then saying the exact opposite behind their back. The rest of that and other things you said in other posts, you pulled out of your behind. But I'm not doing that. I never tell Jackie that her career is doing great, or that her song will be a best seller. I just support her and tell her she did an awesome job, or that I like her new song, or that I'm proud of her. There is no conflict there at all msims. I never discuss the state Jackie's career on her social media at all. Not sure how you don't get that. I support Jackie and her efforts on her social media...and I mean it. You will also note that here, I never say anything negative about Jackie as a person. But I will be honest here about the state of her career here. By the way, anyone else notice the hilarious dichotomy of the OTT extremes of this forum. One going after me for being a crazed, giddy OTT fan, the other, saying I'm so negative about Jackie here. LOL
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Post by msims on Jan 6, 2024 22:42:14 GMT -5
And it's not two faced. Jackie's social media is for fans to gush and support her ..which I am only too happy to do. This forum allows for honest discussion about the good, the bad, and the ugly...an objective analysis if you will, of Jackie and her career. Agreed. You gush where gushing is called for and you analyze and evaluate where analysis and evaluation are called for. He isn't being honest with Jackie, thats the point. Ultimately the people you allow here, want credibility but cannot confront Jackie, Mike, or Lisa when she was around and tell them honestly how they felt about their actions in advancing her career or the management of her career. They like to dance around it in a passive aggressive way too or go after me as if im an ambassador for all fans actions in the past, go ahead I don't care. Doing it behind an alias or an account and others. Careers can decline like Santana's and then have a huge comeback as well, theres always room for improvement in a career thats not the point. Just don't hide behind an alias and play games. Man up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2024 23:02:28 GMT -5
Two face means you are telling someone how great they are doing, then saying the exact opposite behind their back. The rest of that and other things you said in other posts, you pulled out of your behind. But I'm not doing that. I never tell Jackie that her career is doing great, or that her song will be a best seller. I just support her and tell her she did an awesome job, or that I like her new song, or that I'm proud of her. There is no conflict there at all msims. I never discuss the state Jackie's career on her social media at all. Not sure how you don't get that. I support Jackie and her efforts on her social media...and I mean it. You will also note that here, I never say anything negative about Jackie as a person. But I will be honest here about the state of her career here. By the way, anyone else notice the hilarious dichotomy of the OTT extremes of this forum. One going after me for being a crazed, giddy OTT fan, the other, saying I'm so negative about Jackie here. LOL That is too funny: Sims will never be happy unless everyone becomes as mushy/gushy as he is. Disappointed will never be happy unless everyone hates Jackie as much as she does That's the value of this forum because it is built for objective minds, while the mushers/gushers and the Jackie haters will always be miserable. They say misery loves company and these two prove that in spades
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Post by donkey on Jan 6, 2024 23:04:10 GMT -5
Agreed. You gush where gushing is called for and you analyze and evaluate where analysis and evaluation are called for. He isn't being honest with Jackie, thats the point. Ultimately the people you allow here, want credibility but cannot confront Jackie, Mike, or Lisa when she was around and tell them honestly how they felt about their actions in advancing her career or the management of her career. They like to dance around it in a passive aggressive way too or go after me as if im an ambassador for all fans actions in the past, go ahead I don't care. Doing it behind an alias or an account and others. Careers can decline like Santana's and then have a huge comeback as well, theres always room for improvement in a career thats not the point. Just don't hide behind an alias and play games. Man up. LoL..msims, Ive explained it to you multiple times. I don't know what else to tell you. I dont know if you are just too dimwitted to get it, or if you are trolling. One more time for kicks. You go to a celebrity's website or fan page to gush and support them.You dont go there talk about their career struggling. That would bei inappropriate, and that would likely get you booted from said website. Jackie's not stupid, she is well aware of the state of her career. This forum here is not a fan webiste or Jackie's social media. Here, it is appropriate to discuss the good, the bad, and the ugly of Jackie's career. You will note that I never say anything bad about Jackie as a person here. But I am honest about her career state. LoL...if you don't get that msims, you are either a complete dimwit, or trolling. Either way, I'm done trying to explain the obvious to you.
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Post by donkey on Jan 6, 2024 23:06:24 GMT -5
But I'm not doing that. I never tell Jackie that her career is doing great, or that her song will be a best seller. I just support her and tell her she did an awesome job, or that I like her new song, or that I'm proud of her. There is no conflict there at all msims. I never discuss the state Jackie's career on her social media at all. Not sure how you don't get that. I support Jackie and her efforts on her social media...and I mean it. You will also note that here, I never say anything negative about Jackie as a person. But I will be honest here about the state of her career here. By the way, anyone else notice the hilarious dichotomy of the OTT extremes of this forum. One going after me for being a crazed, giddy OTT fan, the other, saying I'm so negative about Jackie here. LOL That is too funny: Sims will never be happy unless everyone becomes as mushy/gushy as he is. Disappointed will never be happy unless everyone hates Jackie as much as she does That's the value of this forum because it is built for objective minds, while the mushers/gushers and the Jackie haters will always be miserable. They say misery loves company and these two prove that in spades LoL...kind of reminds me of these guys...opposites ends of the OTT spectrum.
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Post by Something New? on Jan 6, 2024 23:30:24 GMT -5
And it's not two faced. Jackie's social media is for fans to gush and support her ..which I am only too happy to do. This forum allows for honest discussion about the good, the bad, and the ugly...an objective analysis Existing sychophantic fawners who dominate the comment threads on her social media efforts with stuff like: "That's so beautiful Jackie. You're so beautiful Jackie. You sing like an angel, Jackie" no matter what she does or sings; which is the same old soup warmed over she's been reading and hearing for the past 15 years. Maybe she would like to see some honest analysis instead of the same old thing that she has been reading for 15 years.
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Post by Disappointed on Jan 6, 2024 23:34:25 GMT -5
Disappointed will never be happy unless everyone hates Jackie as much as she does To you OTTs, Truth = Hate, that is your theory. What is true is that I will be happy when everyone sees the truth about Jackie, which many already have. But there are still many fairy tales and false claims to refute. And as I have previously said multiple times, I do not "hate Jackie" though I very much dislike OTTs and their idiocy. And I do think she is quite undeserving of all the praise and accolades she got, mostly due to chance.
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Post by donkey on Jan 6, 2024 23:37:45 GMT -5
And it's not two faced. Jackie's social media is for fans to gush and support her ..which I am only too happy to do. This forum allows for honest discussion about the good, the bad, and the ugly...an objective analysis Existing sychophantic fawners who dominate the comment threads on her social media efforts with stuff like: "That's so beautiful Jackie. You're so beautiful Jackie. You sing like an angel, Jackie" no matter what she does or sings; which is the same old soup warmed over she's been reading and hearing for the past 15 years. Maybe she would like to see some honest analysis instead of the same old thing that she has been reading for 15 years. LoL..no, pretty sure she doesnt want you going on her social media and telling her that her career is on the ropes Disappointed. Just a feeling I have. ROFL
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Post by Disappointed on Jan 6, 2024 23:40:40 GMT -5
Existing sychophantic fawners who dominate the comment threads on her social media efforts with stuff like: "That's so beautiful Jackie. You're so beautiful Jackie. You sing like an angel, Jackie" no matter what she does or sings; which is the same old soup warmed over she's been reading and hearing for the past 15 years. Maybe she would like to see some honest analysis instead of the same old thing that she has been reading for 15 years. LoL..no, pretty sure she doesnt want you going on her social media and telling her that her career is on the ropes Disappointed. Just a feeling I have. ROFL That wasn't posted by me. Sorry to disappoint you. Well, I'm actually not sorry, I enjoy disappointing you.
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Post by donkey on Jan 6, 2024 23:42:40 GMT -5
Existing sychophantic fawners who dominate the comment threads on her social media efforts with stuff like: "That's so beautiful Jackie. You're so beautiful Jackie. You sing like an angel, Jackie" no matter what she does or sings; which is the same old soup warmed over she's been reading and hearing for the past 15 years. Maybe she would like to see some honest analysis instead of the same old thing that she has been reading for 15 years. LoL..no, pretty sure she doesnt want you going on her social media and telling her that her career is on the ropes Disappointed. Just a feeling I have. ROFL Now, if someone wanted to give her a constructive idea and was really nice about it, nothing wrong with that.
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