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Post by The Jackinator on May 27, 2024 17:14:46 GMT -5
Ahhhh...I figured they were at like a high school game or something. If they were at a professional football game, not so weird, especially if she was there to sing the anthem. Jackie was there professionally, and she was seeking publicity. Unfortunately this was hours before she was going to sing and would be labelled as private time for the Evancho’s. Lenny was following them around and taking pictures like there was no tomorrow. Jackie was still 12 years old at the time and Lisa had enough of these old men continuing to Stalk her every move. This is the time of Airport Joes shenanigans, Sempe Tereme(sp) and a host of other OTT’s in the penguin waddler group who’s behaviour was extremely bizarre and some might say threatening to Jackie well being. Yeah, there was an unfortunate confluence of events that collectively set off alarm bells for Mike and Lisa. The events you listed, taken individually wouldn't have been too difficult to deal with - the problem was that the events took place in short time span. IMO, Lisa's backlash towards Len was extreme. Len had proven that he was not a threat because he had already attended a ton of concerts by that time. In addition, the Pittsburgh game was held in a public arena, and Len, like many fans, enjoyed getting snapshots of Jackie and sharing them with fellow fans. Every artist experiences this behavior from either the paparazzi or from overly fanatic individuals. Lisa and Mike didn't seem to get that this type of behavior went along with every celebrity and it was their job to provide the proper level of security so that no harm took place. Rather than creating and enforcing proper security protocol, Lisa lashed out at individual fans playing whack-a-mole. Len was a fan that spent hundreds and thousands of dollars in the Jackie world and helped pour money into the Evancho coffers by giving away tons of Jackie CD's and concert tickets. Len was treated unfairly by Lisa. She could have handled it better by sending Len a private message in the forum and expressing to him where the boundaries exist.
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Post by Socal Fan on May 27, 2024 17:19:15 GMT -5
The [40% off Memorial Day] sale is for anyone that is playing at 54 below (whether Jackie is on the schedule or not and also Live Nation has discounted tickets down to $25 a few times for a number of acts, has nothing to do with ticket sales) "Nothing to do with ticket sales"? It suspect it has something to do with ticket sales. It's not specifically related to Jackie's ticket sales, but it may be that ticket sales in general are not doing as well as desired and need a bit of goosing. Otherwise, there would be no reason to offer such a large discount. 54 Below used to be a regular business but in Apr 2023 became a non-profit, presumably because profits were not sufficient. So one might well suspect that ticket sales continue to be challenging.
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Post by Socal Fan on May 27, 2024 17:23:13 GMT -5
I know she was involved in 2016 because I had direct communication with her in her forum Ah, the good old days! What was your name in the forum?
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Post by donkey on May 27, 2024 17:29:54 GMT -5
Unfortunately this was hours before she was going to sing and would be labelled as private time for the Evancho’s. Lenny was following them around and taking pictures like there was no tomorrow. Jackie was still 12 years old at the time and Lisa had enough of these old men continuing to Stalk her every move. This is the time of Airport Joes shenanigans, Sempe Tereme(sp) and a host of other OTT’s in the penguin waddler group who’s behaviour was extremely bizarre and some might say threatening to Jackie well being. Yeah, there was an unfortunate confluence of events that collectively set off alarm bells for Mike and Lisa. The events you listed, taken individually wouldn't have been too difficult to deal with - the problem was that the events took place in short time span. IMO, Lisa's backlash towards Len was extreme. Len had proven that he was not a threat because he had already attended a ton of concerts by that time. In addition, the Pittsburgh game was held in a public arena, and Len, like many fans, enjoyed getting snapshots of Jackie and sharing them with fellow fans. Every artist experiences this behavior from either the paparazzi or from overly fanatic individuals. Lisa and Mike didn't seem to get that this type of behavior went along with every celebrity and it was their job to provide the proper level of security so that no harm took place. Rather than creating and enforcing proper security protocol, Lisa lashed out at individual fans playing whack-a-mole. Len was a fan that spent hundreds and thousands of dollars in the Jackie world and helped pour money into the Evancho coffers by giving away tons of Jackie CD's and concert tickets. Len was treated unfairly by Lisa. She could have handled it better by sending Len a private message in the forum and expressing to him where the boundaries exist. Mabye she wanted to make an example of his so others would know that sort of behavior wouldn't be tolerated. Lisa definitely is not one for beating around the bush. lol
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Post by donkey on May 27, 2024 17:33:37 GMT -5
Len and Joe will be attending both nights. Cant bring facts into a gaslighting forum. Lisa was no longer involved in her career as of 2015, so that could have lead to some of the issues at that time. She did not deter Len thankfully. I wonder what Rickky and amg has to say about the case of: alt pop singer Lorde: her initial 5x platinum debut US tour was in theaters, then her platinum follow up US tour was in arenas (half as many shows though), then her follow up tour had even fewer shows and was back in smaller venues. Thats within a span of less than a decade. It would be great if you brought facts into the truth telling forum. Lisa was involved with Jackie's career at least through through the later half of 2017. I know she was involved in 2016 because I had direct communication with her in her forum after capturing some video at a concert. She stayed involved into 2017 as "Growing Up Evancho" took place near the end of 2017. The forum was still alive at that time and Lisa was actively promoting a shift in Jackie's style. In 2017, after Jackie recorded "Safe and Sound" and "Writing's On the Wall", Lisa posted those videos into the forum. Lisa was trying to widen Jackie's target market away from the old fan base that she disliked and to acquire younger pop fans. She hinted as much in the forum. Yup, I had direct communication with her in 2017 as well on ebay with regard to Jackie stuff she was selling.
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Post by Socal Fan on May 27, 2024 17:40:16 GMT -5
One of Jackie's favorite bands, The Black Keys cancelled their entire US arena tour If you are implying that the tour was cancelled for financial reasons, the link you provided says that the tour was cancelled to make changes in the concerts. And a new list of dates will be announced shortly. Not everyone has the same problems in booking concerts as Jackie. Certainly not a group with 4M Spotify followers and 12.5M monthly listeners.
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Post by The Jackinator on May 27, 2024 17:42:08 GMT -5
Yeah, there was an unfortunate confluence of events that collectively set off alarm bells for Mike and Lisa. The events you listed, taken individually wouldn't have been too difficult to deal with - the problem was that the events took place in short time span. IMO, Lisa's backlash towards Len was extreme. Len had proven that he was not a threat because he had already attended a ton of concerts by that time. In addition, the Pittsburgh game was held in a public arena, and Len, like many fans, enjoyed getting snapshots of Jackie and sharing them with fellow fans. Every artist experiences this behavior from either the paparazzi or from overly fanatic individuals. Lisa and Mike didn't seem to get that this type of behavior went along with every celebrity and it was their job to provide the proper level of security so that no harm took place. Rather than creating and enforcing proper security protocol, Lisa lashed out at individual fans playing whack-a-mole. Len was a fan that spent hundreds and thousands of dollars in the Jackie world and helped pour money into the Evancho coffers by giving away tons of Jackie CD's and concert tickets. Len was treated unfairly by Lisa. She could have handled it better by sending Len a private message in the forum and expressing to him where the boundaries exist. Mabye she wanted to make an example of his so others would know that sort of behavior wouldn't be tolerated. Lisa definitely is not one for beating around the bush. lol That was probably her strategy, but to shame one of Jackie's biggest fans and someone who was helping to fund the Evanchos perceived extravagant lifestyle was a mistake. A lot of fans (including myself) who knew Len and had known him only as a devoted, loyal fan were completely turned off by Lisa's public shaming. This action was not in isolation, and was just another expression of the Evancho's disdain for Jackie fandom in general. If they were concerned about security, they should have contracted with security companies that provide services for celebrities.
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Post by msims on May 27, 2024 17:46:06 GMT -5
Lisa was involved with Jackie's careerThis was discussed on amazon at the time that in 2015, Lisa was no longer involved in career decisions, that lead to alot of the issues at the time. One of Jackie's favorite bands, The Black Keys cancelled their entire US arena tour If you are implying Implying my behind. According to reddit where I found this, ticket prices were too steep. The price of everything is too high for some people. And what about Lorde? Mabye she wanted to make an example of his so others would know that sort of behavior wouldn't be tolerated. Lisa definitely is not one for beating around the bush. lol That was probably her strategy, but to shame one of Jackie's biggest fans and someone who was helping to fund the Evanchos perceived extravagant lifestyle was a mistake. A lot of fans (including myself) who knew Len and had known him only as a devoted, loyal fan were completely turned off by Lisa's public shaming. This action was not in isolation, and was just another expression of the Evancho's disdain for Jackie fandom in general. If they were concerned about security, they should have contracted with security companies that provide services for celebrities. You're right for once, that was probably the end of the Jackie Evancho Fan Club, when Lisa attacked Len. I doubt Mike approved.
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Post by The Jackinator on May 27, 2024 17:56:45 GMT -5
Absolutely right. Everything that has gone wrong with Jackie's career is because of her parents. Everything that has gone right with her career is because of Jackie. This is not true..JE made the biggest mistake..her misconception she could have a career especially in her genre without putting any real effort into it..no formal training..nothing..she kind of wasted 14years.. Btw. it is not about being perfect..no Jackie..it is about knowing, having the musical basics.. Can't believe I somewhat agree with eulenspiegel, but on the issue of the lack of training, he's correct. If Jackie's heart was fully into the classical (or CC camp), then yes, Jackie should have been engaging in a strenuous voice training program all of these years. If she had done that, she most likely could have been a CC queen for a long time However, Jackie recently said that it was her dream to perform her own music, and from we've heard, those songs are not CC songs, but are pop (or alt-pop). Singing in the pop genre does not require extensive vocal training than does classical. Either Jackie was too lazy to train her voice to have long-term success in cc, or she has long known that she would move over to pop. It could be both.
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Post by The Jackinator on May 27, 2024 18:08:56 GMT -5
Lisa was involved with Jackie's career This was discussed on amazon at the time that in 2015, Lisa was no longer involved in career decisions, that lead to alot of the issues at the time.Implying my behind. According to reddit where I found this, ticket prices were too steep. The price of everything is too high for some people. And what about Lorde? That was probably her strategy, but to shame one of Jackie's biggest fans and someone who was helping to fund the Evanchos perceived extravagant lifestyle was a mistake. A lot of fans (including myself) who knew Len and had known him only as a devoted, loyal fan were completely turned off by Lisa's public shaming. This action was not in isolation, and was just another expression of the Evancho's disdain for Jackie fandom in general. If they were concerned about security, they should have contracted with security companies that provide services for celebrities. You're right for once, that was probably the end of the Jackie Evancho Fan Club, when Lisa attacked Len. I doubt Mike approved. Well, it's great that you have Amazon rumors to rely on for the facts you bring to the forum. It was clear that Lisa was involved with Jackie's move to crossover material that showed up in late 2015-2017. Blank Space, Coming Home, Safe and Sound, Writing's on the Wall and With or Without You were being actively promoted by Lisa through the end of 2017. That's the facts, man. Quit trying to gaslight the members here.
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Post by BR549 on May 27, 2024 18:14:36 GMT -5
They shouldn't have acted so childish in the first place. That's right, they shouldn't have done that in the first place, and they only stopped because of the ridicule they faced.When you state things as fact, but you know nothing at all about it, you make yourself look like an idiot. The reason the penguin waddling ended is that in December 2011, in the Press of Atlantic City, Jackie did a print interview and she was asked about the penguin waddling. She said that she had only "penguin waddled" one time, with Yvie her vocal coach backstage at AGT. When that interview was posted, the fans stopped doing the penguin waddle. This was how it began - a report on ABC 20/20 in summer 2011.
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Post by msims on May 27, 2024 18:21:14 GMT -5
This was discussed on amazon at the time that in 2015, Lisa was no longer involved in career decisions, that lead to alot of the issues at the time.Implying my behind. According to reddit where I found this, ticket prices were too steep. The price of everything is too high for some people. And what about Lorde?You're right for once, that was probably the end of the Jackie Evancho Fan Club, when Lisa attacked Len. I doubt Mike approved. Well, it's great that you have Amazon rumors to rely on for the facts you bring to the forum. It was clear that Lisa was involved with Jackie's move to crossover material that showed up in late 2015-2017. Blank Space, Coming Home, Safe and Sound, Writing's on the Wall and With or Without You were being actively promoted by Lisa through the end of 2017. That's the facts, man. Quit trying to gaslight the members here. Is this schtick? All your personalities chased the so called members off. Even Cait mentions Lisa being benched in this post. This happened in 2015 and I spoke to Lisa then at the time when she was fine. If you're talking about her promoting videos up and until she shut that forum down, she had moderators who would help with that, Ana and Nanna the banana's. Again ive spoken about the facts for the last 13 years, I don't need a guest to validate anything. This is all common knowledge.
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Post by donkey on May 27, 2024 18:23:10 GMT -5
This is not true..JE made the biggest mistake..her misconception she could have a career especially in her genre without putting any real effort into it..no formal training..nothing..she kind of wasted 14years.. Btw. it is not about being perfect..no Jackie..it is about knowing, having the musical basics.. Can't believe I somewhat agree with eulenspiegel, but on the issue of the lack of training, he's correct. If Jackie's heart was fully into the classical (or CC camp), then yes, Jackie should have been engaging in a strenuous voice training program all of these years. If she had done that, she most likely could have been a CC queen for a long time However, Jackie recently said that it was her dream to perform her own music, and from we've heard, those songs are not CC songs, but are pop (or alt-pop). Singing in the pop genre does not require extensive vocal training than does classical. Either Jackie was too lazy to train her voice to have long-term success in cc, or she has long known that she would move over to pop. It could be both. I don't think Jackie's lack of continued training had anything at all to do with her career slide. Her schtick was being an innocent, sweet, cute kid who could sing like an angel. That ran its course. Could she have continued success as an adult singing the classical type music if she had gotten years of training? Who knows? Would she have wanted to go that way if she could have? Who knows? But her fans loved what she was, and then died off or moved on when she wasn't that anymore. Simple. Any additional future success requires a degree of re-invention into something other than what made her famous. That's always a tough thing to do in the entertainment business, and it seems the kids who were successful making that transition had large to huge, young fan bases and mad talent when then made it.
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Post by msims on May 27, 2024 18:32:12 GMT -5
This is not true..JE made the biggest mistake..her misconception she could have a career especially in her genre without putting any real effort into it..no formal training..nothing..she kind of wasted 14years.. Btw. it is not about being perfect..no Jackie..it is about knowing, having the musical basics.. Can't believe I somewhat agree with eulenspiegel, but on the issue of the lack of training, he's correct. If Jackie's heart was fully into the classical (or CC camp), then yes, Jackie should have been engaging in a strenuous voice training program all of these years. If she had done that, she most likely could have been a CC queen for a long time I don't think anyone would have taken that on when she was just a child (there were "amazon rumors" though). Most people thought she was trained and the only way to find out is if she had any vocal issues, all the critics thought she would but she hasn't shown any damage.
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Post by colt46 on May 27, 2024 18:40:13 GMT -5
Good assessment donkey!
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