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Post by Socal Fan on Jun 18, 2024 17:45:39 GMT -5
Can someone explain what it means for an artist and the venue to work for non-profit apposed to for-profit. I believe it makes little or no difference to the artists. The only difference it makes is to the donors, who now get to deduct their donations from their taxable income.
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Post by richard on Jun 18, 2024 18:10:20 GMT -5
Can someone explain what it means for an artist and the venue to work for non-profit apposed to for-profit. I believe it makes little or no difference to the artists. The only difference it makes is to the donors, who now get to deduct their donations from their taxable income. Good for Jackie, like a church Mike can walk around with a collection box and not worry about paying taxes. Maybe wouldn't even have to report it as income. Looks like more pool time for Mike. Who knows I am sure he can find enough people to swear Jackie is an angel from heaven and get even more discounts.
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Post by msims on Jun 18, 2024 19:30:18 GMT -5
and how many people who go out for the evening at a bar or restaurant spend less than $25? Its a minimum of $25 per customer not including the ticket to the concert. They do not make money on tickets alone. Why does it take myself and colt to figure this out?
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Post by colt46 on Jun 18, 2024 20:04:33 GMT -5
Exactly they make money off of food and beverages!
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Post by Disappointed on Jun 18, 2024 20:07:47 GMT -5
and how many people who go out for the evening at a bar or restaurant spend less than $25? Its a minimum of $25 per customer not including the ticket to the concert. They do not make money on tickets alone. Why does it take myself and colt to figure this out? We know that Simsy. But all bars and restaurants would make a minimum of $25 per customer and much more without a show. So if you factor in that they should get 70-80 people on the weekend anyways for food and drinks, how are they making extra money on the food and drinks? (btw they only put that minimum statement so cheap Jackie fans who went just for the show couldn't just sit with a cup of coffee all night).
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Post by Disappointed on Jun 18, 2024 20:24:59 GMT -5
Exactly they make money off of food and beverages! Here's a math lesson for you Colty: Scenario 1 - no Jackie show (maybe no show or maybe the owner's daughter plays the piano): 80 people show up on a weekend night and spend $50 each on food and drinks - total $4,000 Scenario 2 - Jackie show: 80 people show up on a weekend night and spend $50 each on food and drinks - total $4,000 Skill testing question: How much extra did they make on food and drinks because Jackie was there?
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Post by 1 Guest on Jun 18, 2024 20:37:13 GMT -5
and how many people who go out for the evening at a bar or restaurant spend less than $25? Its a minimum of $25 per customer not including the ticket to the concert. They do not make money on tickets alone. Why does it take myself and colt to figure this out? The $25 minimum is waived for the $15 seats. 54below.my.salesforce-sites.com/ticket/#/instances/a0FUY000001Vw8n2AC
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Post by richard on Jun 18, 2024 20:47:15 GMT -5
Exactly they make money off of food and beverages! Here's a math lesson for you Colty: Scenario 1 - no Jackie show (maybe no show or maybe the owner's daughter plays the piano): 80 people show up on a weekend night and spend $50 each on food and drinks - total $4,000 Scenario 2 - Jackie show: 80 people show up on a weekend night and spend $50 each on food and drinks - total $4,000 Skill testing question: How much extra did they make on food and drinks because Jackie was there? None that is why they are a non-profit origination now. So that they can have artist that can't bring in enough in sales to support their act.
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Post by msims on Jun 18, 2024 20:58:15 GMT -5
We are talking just 10 available seats (both nights each) and hopefully these people have to sit at the bar.
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Post by Disappointed on Jun 18, 2024 21:21:33 GMT -5
We are talking just 10 available seats (both nights each) and hopefully these people have to sit at the bar. So even if all 10 of these are sold each night, the venue will still be almost half empty. All regular priced tickets in each section still have the same number available as yesterday. So they are only making 10 available for the promo, which are likely those side tables that are 8 red and 2 yellow, not the best view. So far, none have sold since the promo announcement.
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Post by Po Folk Seats on Jun 18, 2024 22:13:13 GMT -5
Subsidized seats at my university weren't the same as cheap seats or students seats. They were randomized in pairs. Sometimes they got good seats, sometimes not. Who is subsidizing these tickets? If they're LEN-SubsidizedTM I don't think he'd want them shuffled to the poor-people seats. I recall a fan donated Jackie tickets to a school and they sat near the front, but maybe that's not the same. Hopefully they all have to sit next to or right in front of sims.
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Post by donkey on Jun 18, 2024 22:44:27 GMT -5
Exactly they make money off of food and beverages! Here's a math lesson for you Colty: Scenario 1 - no Jackie show (maybe no show or maybe the owner's daughter plays the piano): 80 people show up on a weekend night and spend $50 each on food and drinks - total $4,000 Scenario 2 - Jackie show: 80 people show up on a weekend night and spend $50 each on food and drinks - total $4,000 Skill testing question: How much extra did they make on food and drinks because Jackie was there? This is no surprise for Jackie in NYC...we've seen this show before. In fall of 2022 at 54 Below we saw what happened...why would it be any different two years later? If anything, it might be worse as her fan base keeps getting older and the peak of her career fades more into the distant past. She actually still does considerably better in some other venues, like the show that just happened in TX, her Xmas show in PA, and her summer Ocean City show that she skipped this year. She still seems able to sell about 500 seats in those venues.
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Post by Socal Fan on Jun 18, 2024 23:08:43 GMT -5
So they are only making 10 available for the promo 10 for now. I suspect they will make more available if necessary. But if the first 10 are mostly unsold, then it is a moot point.
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Post by donkey on Jun 18, 2024 23:12:19 GMT -5
So they are only making 10 available for the promo 10 for now. I suspect they will make more available if necessary. But if the first 10 are mostly unsold, then it is a moot point. I highly suspect that the ticket prices aren't the problem.
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Post by BOGC on Jun 18, 2024 23:46:27 GMT -5
Maybe not trouble. I tihnk it said "temporarily". And it's possible for patrons to specifically subsidize the cost of tickets to particular events. I can think of one regular big spender who has been known to do that sort of thing, and one semi-regular small spender who may have, slightly. :-)
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