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Post by msims on Jun 19, 2024 12:53:44 GMT -5
The ticket šļø prices are not the problem, the venue has done a poor job of advertising Jackieās shows , plus Jackie herself hasnāt gotten out pounding the pavement to try and drum š„ up business for the two shows she is doing! With the huge population of NYC, IT SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM SELLING OUT THOSE TWO NIGHTS, YOU HAVE A PLACE WERE YOU GET TO HAVE A NICE MEAL AND SEE SOME ENTERTAINMENT AS WELL! IF YOU HAVE NOT HEARD THINGS ARE EXPENSIVE IN NYC! The problem is..that JE is a nobody in todays music businessā¦no one takes her seriousā¦even Emily Bear got many comments in recent weeks of suprised, shocked peopleā¦āOh you are the girl from Ellen Showā who suddenly discover that there is really talent. trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%2Fm%2F09g6xwd,%2Fm%2F052_0jg&hl=en
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Post by msims on Jun 19, 2024 13:00:54 GMT -5
The problem is..that JE is a nobody in todays music businessā¦no one takes her seriousā¦even Emily Bear got many comments in recent weeks of suprised, shocked peopleā¦āOh you are the girl from Ellen Showā who suddenly discover that there is really talent. Most people watch these prodigy, talent, casting show for entertaunment. They think they are cute..but kind of no one expect that they really make it ..Jackie Evancho was only interesting for the masses as the cute blonde 10yoā¦same with Connie Talbot etc. etc. Btw. the normal NY citizen can have daily far more professional busker concerts in streets and subway. And most of them will wonder who the..is JE..and for tourists there are far better concerts..broadway..show. When will you realize ..there is no difference between JE and the likes of Anastasia Lee..who has a real educationā¦and a job. As we say n German āDer Zug ist abgefahrenā(Train has left) ā¦meaning..itās over..Game over There are thousands of wedding singers whatever who have better gigs. No promo will save the situation, careerā¦only a kind of lottery surprise winā¦but only with the same chances.. JE should take the rest of money that is hopefully there..and live a decent life. Some of what you say is true, however, even today...far more people know who Jackie is than Anastasia...at least in America. And, Jackie can still get the occasional national t.v. appearance based on her past fame on AGT. And, a lot of very famous people who met with or worked with her actually know who Jackie is still. Jackie will likely always get gigs based on her legacy fame. It's the reinventing of herself that is the challenge...that is a long shot as I've often said. But she's young, nothing wrong with going for it. I think her original music is actually quite good...better than I expected from her. But singing is everything to her...she's not going to give it up anytime soon. Jackie can sell tickets as texas was mentioned, the xmas shows, oc which I think was skipped this year. but there is a tendency to her wanting to move away from the 10 year old image and its costing her money to do that by playing these dinner theater/musical theater type shows. Although the turn out will be not bad its definitely not what she could pull in the right markets. Id have skipped new york and booked the closest in Jersey (not oc) and some in florida, etc. where shes proven she could sell tickets. Again I think its a desire to play to a younger audience but at the end of the day just go out there and the play the new and old.
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Post by Disappointed on Jun 19, 2024 13:06:23 GMT -5
Usually when someone says someone is "giving" (giving the impression of) it's a response to the post. In other words, it's up to people who see her post to say that she's "giving Madonna" or whatever. I don't see Madonna vibes, it's not giving anything for me. It's just Jackie posing. In her mind, she's this famous talented musician and songwriter. So she thinks she's on the level of Madonna and others, or will be someday soon. It's all a big fantasy of course. Plenty of other girls and young women have similar fantasies and dreams, and are doing the same thing while trying to become famous. The only difference is they didn't win the lotto at age 10 parroting opera songs, so they don't have any name recognition despite being more talented. Eventually at some point most face the reality that they are never going to be the next Madonna and get a real job. Jackie has not faced that reality and continues her child-like fantasies. At this point, I think she is just being enabled as well to think that by family and friends to keep her occupied so she doesn't have to face the hard truth, which may contribute to depression or eating problems. So some OTTs get her a gig by making donations, or past buddies with some connections throw out a sympathy bone gig for a couple of nights at a little club. Just keeping up the fantasy, but how long can that continue? Maybe she has enough lotto winnings left to carry on this "I'm a superstar" fantasy for the next 50 years. I guess we'll see.
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Post by msims on Jun 19, 2024 13:15:37 GMT -5
Some of what you say is true, however, even today...far more people know who Jackie is than Anastasia...at least in America. And, Jackie can still get the occasional national t.v. appearance based on her past fame on AGT. And, a lot of very famous people who met with or worked with her actually know who Jackie is still. Jackie will likely always get gigs based on her legacy fame. It's the reinventing of herself that is the challenge...that is a long shot as I've often said. But she's young, nothing wrong with going for it. I think her original music is actually quite good...better than I expected from her. But singing is everything to her...she's not going to give it up anytime soon. Jackie had a big head start being on AGT and even more re-starts being on all the other got talent shows. There are so many that got just a fraction of the exposure Jackie had and ran with it. Thanks to Jackie's Mom/Pop management Jackie was over 20 years old before she decide to stop trying to be a 10 year old to her old fans base. Jackie even said as much in her interview. (4:35) I said many times there are many entertainers that started even younger than Jackie and made it big as a singers or actor. She doesn't want to be seen as that 10 year old or compared which you just did here, she wants to be seen as 24. Since you are comparing her to actors or actually child actors, if they started out as young as Jackie did then their parents were involved as well. I am not really sure what your point was in going back to her Parents once again. She makes her own decisions now.
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Post by BOGC on Jun 19, 2024 13:18:15 GMT -5
Jackie should be herself instead of posing a so called Madonna pose! She is trying to sell her original music after all ! Letās see a good Jackie pose! You're not wrong. But her post wasn't really a problem, either. No foul (and no bottle), no harm.
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Post by ChrisR on Jun 19, 2024 13:34:09 GMT -5
She doesn't want to be seen as that 10 year old or compared which you just did here, she wants to be seen as 24. That is rather rich coming from you. You have no problem telling us how successful she supposedly was as a child. Perhaps, it's time for you to finally turn that page as well.
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Post by donkey on Jun 19, 2024 13:37:10 GMT -5
Usually when someone says someone is "giving" (giving the impression of) it's a response to the post. In other words, it's up to people who see her post to say that she's "giving Madonna" or whatever. I don't see Madonna vibes, it's not giving anything for me. It's just Jackie posing. In her mind, she's this famous talented musician and songwriter. So she thinks she's on the level of Madonna and others, or will be someday soon. It's all a big fantasy of course. Plenty of other girls and young women have similar fantasies and dreams, and are doing the same thing while trying to become famous. The only difference is they didn't win the lotto at age 10 parroting opera songs, so they don't have any name recognition despite being more talented. Eventually at some point most face the reality that they are never going to be the next Madonna and get a real job. Jackie has not faced that reality and continues her child-like fantasies. At this point, I think she is just being enabled as well to think that by family and friends to keep her occupied so she doesn't have to face the hard truth, which may contribute to depression or eating problems. So some OTTs get her a gig by making donations, or past buddies with some connections throw out a sympathy bone gig for a couple of nights at a little club. Just keeping up the fantasy, but how long can that continue? Maybe she has enough lotto winnings left to carry on this "I'm a superstar" fantasy for the next 50 years. I guess we'll see. I disagree. I think that Jackie is very aware of the current state of her career, and how hard its been to get any traction with her original songs. It's pretty hard to miss. That doesn't mean of course that she doesn't hope to have success and find that second career as a pop singer. She probably tries to image what it might be like. But I don't think at this point she is delusional about it at all. I think she knows full well the state of things. That doesn't mean that she's not going to try and put the best spin on things publicly that she can. That's just a PR thing.
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Post by colt46 on Jun 19, 2024 13:40:01 GMT -5
We must live in the present not the past, canāt go back when Jackie had some popularity, she is a nobody now, starting from scratch trying to find a audience that will listen to her songs that she has recorded!
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Post by donkey on Jun 19, 2024 13:44:18 GMT -5
We must live in the present not the past, canāt go back when Jackie had some popularity, she is a nobody now, starting from scratch trying to find a audience that will listen to her songs that she has recorded! Can't really do that entirely Coltmiser. Who she was is what opens doors for her still...she has to use that access. Thats why in most interviews, they spend a lot of time talking about her AGT and early career days. You can't stop talking about your only claim to fame and the only commercial success you have ever had. That's the reason you aren't just another unknown singer. You have to use those impressive credentials to your advantage, not run from them. The trick is then to pivot gracefully in these interviews from her past to her current songwriting...which has been the case in all of the interviews I've seen. But make no mistake, Jackie's past success is a huge advantage over complete unknows. She has to embrace the past, while not staying stuck in it. I think she does a pretty good job of that.
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Post by colt46 on Jun 19, 2024 14:14:43 GMT -5
Jackie is starting over, needs to find a new audience, I donāt see what is wrong with this statement!
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Post by richard on Jun 19, 2024 15:04:19 GMT -5
She doesn't want to be seen as that 10 year old or compared which you just did here, she wants to be seen as 24. Since you are comparing her to actors or actually child actors, if they started out as young as Jackie did then their parents were involved as well. I am not really sure what your point was in going back to her Parents once again. She makes her own decisions now. Didn't you watch the interview. Jackie said it was during Covid when she stopped acting like a 10 year old. She would have been at least 21 year old when she stopped acting like a 10 year old and you are just kidding yourself if you don't think Mike and Lisa had a lot to do with it as they micro managed everything Jackie did and Mike undoubtedly still does. There is just no way Jackie can all of a sudden go from acting like a 10 year old for 10 years, than just become a normal 24 year old. I think they screwed her mind up big time and wouldn't even know how to act around people her own age.
It's Jackie's old fan base that wanted Jackie to stay forever 10 years old. They can't seem to say anything about her without going back more than 10 years ago.
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Post by donkey on Jun 19, 2024 15:20:49 GMT -5
Jackie is starting over, needs to find a new audience, I donāt see what is wrong with this statement! That's all true. Just saying she has a great head start with her fame as the AGT girl...so she has a big step up on complete unknowns. She can't forget the past...that's her claim to fame...she needs to use it to open doors.
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Post by richard on Jun 19, 2024 15:34:50 GMT -5
Jackie is starting over, needs to find a new audience, I donāt see what is wrong with this statement! Jackie has been saying she is starting over for years now. If she wants to start over then start over. Her concerts consist of her old CC music and new songs. But everything shows her concerts are in the old park and bark style still.
The Masked Singer had Jackie singing good songs that went well with her voice and taught her some stage presence.
What happened to that, did Mike send her to some deprogramming camp.
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Post by richard on Jun 19, 2024 15:40:26 GMT -5
Jackie is starting over, needs to find a new audience, I donāt see what is wrong with this statement! That's all true. Just saying she has a great head start with her fame as the AGT girl...so she has a big step up on complete unknowns. She can't forget the past...that's her claim to fame...she needs to use it to open doors. I disagree trying to use something you did at 10 or 11 years old to open doors will more than likely close them.
It should only have been a stepping stone.
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Post by donkey on Jun 19, 2024 15:43:28 GMT -5
That's all true. Just saying she has a great head start with her fame as the AGT girl...so she has a big step up on complete unknowns. She can't forget the past...that's her claim to fame...she needs to use it to open doors. I disagree trying to use something you did at 10 or 11 years old to open doors will more than likely close them.
It should only have been a stepping stone.
Wrong...her past fame is the only thing that gets her interviews. It's the only thing that got her on TMS. It's the only thing that gets her the few concerts she has left. Without her past fame, nobody knows who she is, nobody cares.
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