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Post by Disappointed on Jun 23, 2024 13:15:48 GMT -5
Nobody knows how hard Jackie works now, yes I know what she said when she was a teenager that she didn’t practice very much! I guess that’s going to be used against her for as long as she is singing for a living! I think it’s more of a case of bad management is the reason for her current problems! Parents don’t know anything about show-business and made poor decisions in Jackie’s career ! Poor poor Jackie! Nobody knows the trouble she's seen.....Hey, maybe she could learn the trumpet and make this her big comeback hit song:
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Post by BOGC on Jun 23, 2024 15:44:58 GMT -5
It's no secret, no cover up, to those who awarded her the platinum title as to what was included. It still qualified as platinum. There's not even an asterisk. There's right and there's wrong. If you put 100 people in a room and explained the situation and asked them if that album should legitimately be considered platinum at the same level as full length original albums in the past, 99% would agree with me. But greed and corruption made it so. Still doesn't make it right. Unfortunately, your entire concept of what is right and wrong went out the window when you fell desperately in love with a 10 year old girl. Rules exist so that popular consensus does not run amok. They followed the rules, they got the platinum. Doesn't matter how large a percentage of people might not think they deserved it. The only thing that matters is how many people bought it, not that most of them may have bought it for the co-packaged DVD rather than the EP. Heck, those who liked the AGT appearances probably liked the EP too, esp. since two of the tracks were Christmas tracks, and it was the right time for those to do well.
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Post by Disappointed on Jun 23, 2024 17:21:58 GMT -5
There's right and there's wrong. If you put 100 people in a room and explained the situation and asked them if that album should legitimately be considered platinum at the same level as full length original albums in the past, 99% would agree with me. But greed and corruption made it so. Still doesn't make it right. Unfortunately, your entire concept of what is right and wrong went out the window when you fell desperately in love with a 10 year old girl. Rules exist so that popular consensus does not run amok. They followed the rules, they got the platinum. Doesn't matter how large a percentage of people might not think they deserved it. The only thing that matters is how many people bought it, not that most of them may have bought it for the co-packaged DVD rather than the EP. Heck, those who liked the AGT appearances probably liked the EP too, esp. since two of the tracks were Christmas tracks, and it was the right time for those to do well. Yep, they pulled a fast one and got away with bending the rules because that is how society is today. Goal posts get moved, media hype brainwashes the public, things happen that shouldn't. But there is always a silent majority that figures out the truth and doesn't go along with the scamming. And no matter how much ballyhoo there is in her promotions and interviews, now 14 years later, about how she is this massive multiplatinum selling singer, huge amazing chart topping artist, greatest all time singer in the universe, etc., the public knows better and she can only get a few dozen people out to see her in a major city. The public ain't buying the smoke and mirrors, and neither am I. Only you OTTs are too blind to see straight.
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Post by donkey on Jun 23, 2024 17:40:16 GMT -5
Rules exist so that popular consensus does not run amok. They followed the rules, they got the platinum. Doesn't matter how large a percentage of people might not think they deserved it. The only thing that matters is how many people bought it, not that most of them may have bought it for the co-packaged DVD rather than the EP. Heck, those who liked the AGT appearances probably liked the EP too, esp. since two of the tracks were Christmas tracks, and it was the right time for those to do well. Yep, they pulled a fast one and got away with bending the rules because that is how society is today. Goal posts get moved, media hype brainwashes the public, things happen that shouldn't. But there is always a silent majority that figures out the truth and doesn't go along with the scamming. And no matter how much ballyhoo there is in her promotions and interviews, now 14 years later, about how she is this massive multiplatinum selling singer, huge amazing chart topping artist, greatest all time singer in the universe, etc., the public knows better and she can only get a few dozen people out to see her in a major city. The public ain't buying the smoke and mirrors, and neither am I. Only you OTTs are too blind to see straight. I'm embarrassed for you that you are still sticking to your story that people bought a cd they didnt want so they could get a dvd with 15 minutes of that singer (whose music they don't want) singing on AGT. Even if that was a legit point, which it isn't, Jackie's singing still went platinum (units sold)...whether you go by the cd or the singing on the dvd. All of Jackie's AGT performances could be seen on YT for free at the time, by the way. So, you are actually contending that people bought a cd they didn't want so they could listen to a 15 minute DVD of the singer whose music they don't want, sing on AGT, while that material was available for free on YT. LoL..your proposition really couldn't get much more ridiculous.
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Post by amg1977 on Jun 23, 2024 18:03:36 GMT -5
LOL...yeah, people bought a cd they didn't want so that they could watch 15 minutes of clips of the singer whose music they don't want. That makes sense. They weren't "clips". They were all of the AGT performances, which is what the media bragged up and parts were shown on the news all over. Your theory makes even less sense, that all those people only bought it to hear 4 Christmas songs that everyone has heard hundreds of times by hundreds of performers. "Hey honey, there's an EP with a 10 year old girl singing 4 Christmas songs." "OMG, buy it right away! I've never heard those songs before."
You are actually making the argument that someone went out to buy a CD because of videos they could watch on YouTube for free. Sure they did.
Regardless, Jackie was not the only artist adding bonus videos to CDs. It was a fairly common practice at the time as an enticement to buy CDs rather than pirate them from a peer-to-peer system. There was a big piracy issue at the time that continued until streaming. High bandwidth was not so common between 2000-2010 as it is today and the videos really needed a high bandwidth to download. Once streaming arrived, physical media and piracy largely went away and it was no longer a factor.
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Post by Disappointed on Jun 23, 2024 18:13:48 GMT -5
All of Jackie's AGT performances could be seen on YT for free at the time, by the way. You are actually making the argument that someone went out to buy a CD because of videos they could watch on YouTube for free. Sure they did. OMG, Simsy is right, you're all AI bots! LOL! Sorry, bots, but many of the old coots who bought that EP and DVD likely didn't know how to use Youtube, if they knew it existed, in fact many didn't even own a computer or smartphone. But they did watch the TV news, and wanted the DVD to see what all the fuss was about, as well as listen to a few Christmas songs. But DVDs are always more appealing than CDs. In addition, many bought it to show their older relatives at Christmas gatherings. That was another part of the lotto win, the time of the year as a large amount of sales were for stocking stuffers. Had AGT been held in the spring, that whole deal would not have happened to the extent it did. Just more dumb luck that helped the marketing. You can blather all you want, but as I said and will continue to say, the public ain't buying that schtick any more.
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Post by colt46 on Jun 23, 2024 18:38:54 GMT -5
Disappointed will continue to claim Jackie is a fraud Platinum singer , nothing will change her mind , I have given up on Disappointed becoming a Jackie fan! You can’t force anyone to do something they don’t want to do!
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Post by johnnyb on Jun 23, 2024 19:03:47 GMT -5
Disappointed will continue to claim Jackie is a fraud Platinum singer , nothing will change her mind , I have given up on Disappointed becoming a Jackie fan! You can’t force anyone to do something they don’t want to do! Disappointment is entitled to her opinion just as you are Colty.
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Post by donkey on Jun 23, 2024 19:08:18 GMT -5
All of Jackie's AGT performances could be seen on YT for free at the time, by the way. You are actually making the argument that someone went out to buy a CD because of videos they could watch on YouTube for free. Sure they did. OMG, Simsy is right, you're all AI bots! LOL! Sorry, bots, but many of the old coots who bought that EP and DVD likely didn't know how to use Youtube, if they knew it existed, in fact many didn't even own a computer or smartphone. But they did watch the TV news, and wanted the DVD to see what all the fuss was about, as well as listen to a few Christmas songs. But DVDs are always more appealing than CDs. In addition, many bought it to show their older relatives at Christmas gatherings. That was another part of the lotto win, the time of the year as a large amount of sales were for stocking stuffers. Had AGT been held in the spring, that whole deal would not have happened to the extent it did. Just more dumb luck that helped the marketing. You can blather all you want, but as I said and will continue to say, the public ain't buying that schtick any more. Here is a great analogy for Disappointed, still trying in vain to defend a theory that has gone down in flames. ROFL "You think you have slayed my theory? Tis but a flesh wound!" Yes Disappointed, you are the Black Knight.
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Post by Disappointed on Jun 23, 2024 19:16:51 GMT -5
Here is a great analogy for Disappointed, still trying in vain to defend a theory that has gone down in flames. ROFL What flames? Because you and another bot said no one would buy the DVD because her AGT performances were on Youtube? I've got news for you, hay-breath, all of her EP songs were on Youtube as well. In fact, so are everyone else's songs. So going by your logic, no one would buy or pay for anything at all since it is free on Youtube. LOL! Well, I do see some flames after all. It's your little girlfriend's career, which has been going down in flames for a long time now. Getting close to smoldering embers - how's that half full bar show coming along?
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Post by donkey on Jun 23, 2024 19:20:14 GMT -5
Here is a great analogy for Disappointed, still trying in vain to defend a theory that has gone down in flames. ROFL What flames? Because you and another bot said no one would buy the DVD because her AGT performances were on Youtube? I've got news for you, hay-breath, all of her EP songs were on Youtube as well. In fact, so are everyone else's songs. So going by your logic, no one would buy or pay for anything at all since it is free on Youtube. LOL! Well, I do see some flames after all. It's your little girlfriend's career, which has been going down in flames for a long time now. Getting close to smoldering embers - how's that half full bar show coming along? Nice attempt at diversion, but YT wasn't what shot down your argument...it was just a bonus. lol And by the way, a cd you can take with you and play in your car. Those same songs on YT, not so much. CD sound quality will also be far superior compared to YT. ROFL
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Post by johnnyb on Jun 23, 2024 19:46:42 GMT -5
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Post by donkey on Jun 23, 2024 20:11:09 GMT -5
She should stick to singing in her home language...works better for her.
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Post by The Jackinator on Jun 23, 2024 20:32:37 GMT -5
Just what does Disappointed have to say to have her post removed? I think, once again Coltman, your comments were removed because your posts were focusedf entirely on talking about Disappointed, not Jackie. If you disagree with Disappointed about comments she made about Jackie, it's okay to call her out on it, but then explain why what she said is nonsense. This isn't a forum about Disappointed. It's a forum about Jackie and to a lesser degree, other singers and how they compare to Jackie and her career. Wrong way examples (focused on Disappointed only):"Disappointed is always attacking Jackie." "Disappointed loves to hate Jackie" Correct way example (calling out Disappointed, but then explaining why she's wrong):"Disappointed is always unfairly attacking Jackie. Jackie is in fact an awesome singer who had a great career and is doing her best to re-invent herself. Her new Solla album is terrific and it will just take time to earn a new fan base" or "Disappointed love to hate Jackie. I think it's become a hobby of hers. Jackie is in fact an awesome singer who had a great career and is doing her best to re-invent herself. Her new Solla album is terrific and it will just take time to earn a new fan base" Colt - its easy - just make daddy happy.
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Post by The Jackinator on Jun 23, 2024 20:35:00 GMT -5
Fantastic as usual - thanks for posting
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