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Post by colt46 on Jul 4, 2024 11:49:33 GMT -5
Jackie’s parents have lived off of Jackie since Jackie gained fame at a young age and was making money 💰!
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Post by colt46 on Jul 4, 2024 11:54:19 GMT -5
Pop to Jackie, thanks for the corvette !
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Post by richard on Jul 4, 2024 11:54:29 GMT -5
Shes already sold 240 tickets for the November New York show and its just your standard theater. WOW 240 tickets sold Sabrina Carpenter anounced her Sweet and Sour tour 5 days ago and now the complete tour is sold out. There must be a huge demand for singers of Jackie's generation unfortuntaly Jackie is not one of them she waited to long to start writing and singing the type of songs her generation like. Thank you MOM/POP for your excellent management. http://instagram.com/p/C9AWSV_NF9A I will bet just like Olivia she will start adding more dates. Carpenter has announced the following dates for her Short n' Sweet tour: Aug. 10 | San Francisco | Outside Lands Festival Sept. 23 | Columbus, Ohio | Nationwide Arena Sept. 25 | Toronto | Scotiabank Arena Sept. 26 | Detroit | Little Caesars Arena Sept. 29 | New York | Madison Square Garden Sept. 30 | New York | Barclays Center Oct. 2 | Hartford, Connecticut | XL Center Oct. 3 | Boston | TD Garden Oct. 5 | Baltimore | CFG Bank Arena Oct. 8 | Philadelphia | Wells Fargo Center Oct. 11 | Montreal | Centre Ball Oct. 13 | Chicago | United Center Oct. 14 | Minneapolis | Target Center Oc. 16 | Nashville, Tennessee | Bridgestone Arena Oct. 17 | St. Louis, Missouri | Chaifetz Arena Oct. 19 | Raleigh, North Carolina | PNC Arena Oct. 20 | Charlottesville, North Carolina | John Paul Jones Arena Oct. 22 | Atlanta | State Farm Arena Oct. 24 | Orlando, Florida | Kia Center Oct. 25 | Tampa, Florida | Amalie Arena Oct. 27 | Houston | Toyota Center Oct. 28 | Austin | Moody Center Oct. 30 | Dallas | American Airlines Center Nov. 1 | Denver | Ball Arena Nov. 2 | Salt Lake City | Delta Center Nov. 4 | Vancouver | Pacific Coliseum Nov. 6 | Seattle | Climate Pledge Arena Nov. 7 | Portland | Moda Center Nov. 9 | San Francisco | Chase Center Nov. 10 | San Diego | Pechanga Arena Nov. 13 | Phoenix | Footprint Center Nov. 15 | Los Angeles | Crypto.com Arena Nov. 17 | Inglewood, California | Kia Forum Nov. 18 | Inglewood, California | Kia Forum
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Post by amg1977 on Jul 4, 2024 12:09:52 GMT -5
Jackie is not as successful as she was in the past and some people think her current popularity is comparable to her past stardom. This is clearly delusional. The point being made is that because her current situation is not as lucrative as in the past, others are projecting her current status back to 2011 when she was a legitimate top 10 artists with gold and platinum albums. You brought up at some point recently: Toto's Africa that came out in the early 80's and just recently the music video passed 1 billion views. Btw fun fact: Steve Luthaker played on Michael Jackson's Thriller album, arguably the best selling album of all time at least last I checked but nerd stuff aside. As far as I know Hold the Line came out pre-Africa, that was a hit. But Africa is a bit of a monster and yet this band may not have had a hit for decades but yet they still play and perform although the only writers dont have to tour, your Greg Camp argument certainly applies to the writers of Africa. So obviously Jackie did not have an Africa, a huge hit but in the CC frame album hits and an EP. Thats enough to build a career on. However when you said, "Jackie is not as successful as she was in the past" you did what you claimed is delusional by comparing her past to her present. Its probably AGT and the fame that came from that that is probably why she is still performing. So where is Jackie? Listen to Solla, COT, and even The Debut. Does any of that meet the criteria of classical crossover given above? Jackie ceased being a CC recording artist years ago. Since then it has been a traditional pop/show tunes album, then a folk/pop tribute album, and now an alt/pop album. The CC definition used back in the day came out of the dinosaur years I think. CC has been so expanded and yet most of what I hear from Jackie sounds like textbook CC, Solla has not been called CC by Jackie. But when I consider the more modern sounding CC artists, by that I mean the ones who just do what they want I consider Lindsey Stirling and Josh Groban definitions of those who don't do the classical thing. The further you move from classical, to me is the more CC thing then the ones who stay in that world. I think Jackie has a fear that the more she moves away the more fans she loses and it might hurt her financially but no artist should feel constrained, its clearly been burning inside her.
Toto had two major albums in the US but they were more popular in parts of Europe and Asia where they continued to have Top 10 albums into the 2010s. So I see no reason they wouldn't be successful as a live act because they have songs like "Hold the Line", "Rosanna", and "Africa" that are instantly recognizable for advertising purposes. Plus, whatever you may think of their music (and admittedly I think most of it is meh), they are superb musicians who were top session players prior to forming a group. So you know you will get a top notch performance. Not to mention that those three songs I referred to earlier show up in a lot of movies and commercials so they have an audience to draw upon as a legacy act. Jackie doesn't have that luxury - you can't be a legacy act in your 20s.
As for CC, I would think those running the magazine dedicated to it would be more of an authority than either of us. It sounds as though you are just redefining CC to include Jackie does at the moment. At some point, such a definition is utterly meaningless. Now what I could say is that Jackie's last two albums that I had labeled folk/pop and alt/pop could be joined under "Adult Contemporary" which certainly overlaps both. So you could say Jackie is an AC artist and even include portions of her older repertoire (specifically her pop covers) under that label.
However when you said, "Jackie is not as successful as she was in the past" you did what you claimed is delusional by comparing her past to her present.
I did not say comparing her past and present were delusional; I said projecting her past into the present (and vice versa) is delusional. Saying Jackie must be successful now because of ten years ago or saying Jackie couldn't have been successful ten years ago because of now are both anachronistic. Then was then and now is now. I neither negate what she did then (yes, she did have a platinum album and yes, she did sell millions of records) but I also do not pretend she is having the same success now.
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Post by colt46 on Jul 4, 2024 12:20:07 GMT -5
Jackie was the first young girl to sing the type of music she did on AGT ,she was a trailblazer in that regard, little girl big voice !Unfortunately she out grew that moniker and now she is a young adult woman with a beautiful voice ,but there are many young adult women that have beautiful voices!
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Post by amg1977 on Jul 4, 2024 12:21:48 GMT -5
LoL...I think that everyone in this forum agrees that Jackie's AGT and early career material are what draws the fans she has left. That's why those who suggest she abandon it entirely are living in a bizarre alternate reality. You don't give up the only fame you have left for the new fame you don't have yet and probably never will have.
This is what I call Kodak thinking. Kodak was one of the most successful companies in the world. They actually invented digital cameras but refused to bring it to market because film is what got them there. The world went digital and Kodak went bankrupt.
Xerox tasked a think tank called PARC (Palo Alto Research Center) to devise the office of the future. They did just that and it only included a marginal place for copy and other "dumb" office machines that had been Xerox's specialty. Xerox nixed their "office of the future" that invented, among other things, the Graphical User Interface (GUI), Ethernet, and Object Oriented Programming. Apple, Microsoft, and a slew of others hired all those people away, and Xerox never bothered patenting their inventions. After all, copy machines got them there.
There are lots more examples of those who stuck with what got them there after the market stopped caring.
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 4, 2024 12:29:52 GMT -5
Imagine at twenty-four years old being told that one thing is all you’re good for. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. Many people are good at only one thing. Like Brett Favre, Babe Ruth, Picasso, Beethoven, Stephen Hawking, Marie Curie, Robert Frost, Michael Jackson, etc. And maybe Jackie Evancho.
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Post by donkey on Jul 4, 2024 13:01:02 GMT -5
LoL...I think that everyone in this forum agrees that Jackie's AGT and early career material are what draws the fans she has left. That's why those who suggest she abandon it entirely are living in a bizarre alternate reality. You don't give up the only fame you have left for the new fame you don't have yet and probably never will have.
This is what I call Kodak thinking. Kodak was one of the most successful companies in the world. They actually invented digital cameras but refused to bring it to market because film is what got them there. The world went digital and Kodak went bankrupt.
Xerox tasked a think tank called PARC (Palo Alto Research Center) to devise the office of the future. They did just that and it only included a marginal place for copy and other "dumb" office machines that had been Xerox's specialty. Xerox nixed their "office of the future" that invented, among other things, the Graphical User Interface (GUI), Ethernet, and Object Oriented Programming. Apple, Microsoft, and a slew of others hired all those people away, and Xerox never bothered patenting their inventions. After all, copy machines got them there.
There are lots more examples of those who stuck with what got them there after the market stopped caring. Apples and oranges. Technology is different than an individual's skill set/capabilities in a highly competitive and cutt throat industry. Jackie personality, charisma, singing ability, and age (child vs adult) all led to a singing career that has for the most part run its course. There appears to be little to no market for her for a reinvented career in a new genre. No harm in giving it a go of course, but she still wants to have people come to her shows and she still wants to make what money she can. You don't just toss that out for a long shot that likely will never pay off. If you do that, and the new, unlikely successful new career doesn't pan out, you may very well not have your old fan base willing to come back to you. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 4, 2024 13:02:37 GMT -5
This is what I call Kodak thinking. Kodak was one of the most successful companies in the world. They actually invented digital cameras but refused to bring it to market because film is what got them there. ... Xerox tasked a think tank called PARC ... We agree that Jackie needs to transition to Pop. But the issue is timing and transition. I assume you are not arguing that Kodak should have shut down their film business once they invented the digital camera. Or that Xerox should have stopped selling copiers once PARC created their inventions. That would have been suicidal. All we are saying is that Jackie 1.0 needs a well planned transition such that she doesn't starve to death while waiting for her pop career to blossom (especially since there is a good possibility that her pop career will never blossom). This is why the 54 Below concert is what the Solla Tour will look like (only 2 Solla songs) if it ever even materializes. My next post will address the issue of Solla as an opening act.
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Post by Disappointed on Jul 4, 2024 13:20:02 GMT -5
Imagine at twenty-four years old being told that one thing is all you’re good for. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. Many people are good at only one thing. Like Brett Favre, Babe Ruth, Picasso, Beethoven, Stephen Hawking, Marie Curie, Robert Frost, Michael Jackson, etc. And maybe Jackie Evancho. But those others you mentioned were highly talented in their field, and they mattered greatly to millions of people, icons of history in their professions. Jackie was a child opera parrot who gained a lot of temporary media attention due to certain factors in a perfect storm, which I have mentioned many times. She never mattered over the long term and never was a star in her field for years like those you mentioned above. She never had any great talent other than parroting a niche style of music at a young age that most kids wouldn't be caught dead singing so there was little competition or comparisons. She was a circus act that the pubic gawked at for a while. But the circus left town long ago and she doesn't matter any more, except to the few clowns that remain and show up to her little "concerts" for old times' sake.
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Post by Sing What I Tell You on Jul 4, 2024 13:22:14 GMT -5
Imagine being told to keep doing what you used to do even though you've said you want to do something different.
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Post by richard on Jul 4, 2024 13:46:18 GMT -5
This is what I call Kodak thinking. Kodak was one of the most successful companies in the world. They actually invented digital cameras but refused to bring it to market because film is what got them there. ... Xerox tasked a think tank called PARC ... We agree that Jackie needs to transition to Pop. But the issue is timing and transition. I assume you are not arguing that Kodak should have shut down their film business once they invented the digital camera. Or that Xerox should have stopped selling copiers once PARC created their inventions. That would have been suicidal. All we are saying is that Jackie 1.0 needs a well planned transition such that she doesn't starve to death while waiting for her pop career to blossom (especially since there is a good possibility that her pop career will never blossom). This is why the 54 Below concert is what the Solla Tour will look like (only 2 Solla songs) if it ever even materializes. My next post will address the issue of Solla as an opening act. It's not Jackie's singing but her stage presence.
A singer like Taylor Swift is going to get someone like Sabrina Carpenter for an opening act. Not someone that is just going to hug the mic and sing.
Now if Jackie had a friend like Maddie Ziegler who was able to get her boy friend to open for Justin Bieber's Justice Tour that would be another way. But as we know Jackie doesn't have friends and her 80 year old bones could not take being active on stage.
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Post by 1 Guest on Jul 4, 2024 13:53:02 GMT -5
This is what I call Kodak thinking. Kodak was one of the most successful companies in the world. They actually invented digital cameras but refused to bring it to market because film is what got them there. The world went digital and Kodak went bankrupt.
Xerox tasked a think tank called PARC (Palo Alto Research Center) to devise the office of the future. They did just that and it only included a marginal place for copy and other "dumb" office machines that had been Xerox's specialty. Xerox nixed their "office of the future" that invented, among other things, the Graphical User Interface (GUI), Ethernet, and Object Oriented Programming. Apple, Microsoft, and a slew of others hired all those people away, and Xerox never bothered patenting their inventions. After all, copy machines got them there.
There are lots more examples of those who stuck with what got them there after the market stopped caring. Apples and oranges. Technology is different than an individual's skill set/capabilities in a highly competitive and cutt throat industry. Jackie personality, charisma, singing ability, and age (child vs adult) all led to a singing career that has for the most part run its course. There appears to be little to no market for her for a reinvented career in a new genre. No harm in giving it a go of course, but she still wants to have people come to her shows and she still wants to make what money she can. You don't just toss that out for a long shot that likely will never pay off. If you do that, and the new, unlikely successful new career doesn't pan out, you may very well not have your old fan base willing to come back to you. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Maybe, maybe not. We'll never know how she'd be doing now had she stuck with what she was known for in the first place, but we know where she is now since COT and Solla. It's a roll of the dice.
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Post by 1 Guest on Jul 4, 2024 13:54:44 GMT -5
Imagine being told to keep doing what you used to do even though you've said you want to do something different. It doesn't matter if she was told to do what she used to do. She didn't listen, she's doing what she wants to do.
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Post by richard on Jul 4, 2024 14:04:50 GMT -5
Imagine being told to keep doing what you used to do even though you've said you want to do something different. It doesn't matter if she was told to do what she used to do. She didn't listen, she's doing what she wants to do. She's doing at 24 what she wanted to do at 12 and that is what matters.
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