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Post by colt46 on Jul 19, 2024 0:16:36 GMT -5
Jackie knows how much Disappointed would miss her, so she is going to keep performing in honor of Disappointed, your welcome!
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Post by BOGC on Jul 19, 2024 4:07:04 GMT -5
There is NO correlation between the amount of customers, fans, etc and the talent of the performer. Of course not. There can never be any such correlation. Correlation is a mathematical and statistical concept. Talent cannot be quantified which means it is forever beyond the realm of statistics. A panel of genuine experts (not the idiots judging TV "talent" shows) can approximate quantifying talent or other supposed intangibles. The problem is the majority of people either are idiots themselves, or are entertained by idiots like those TV judges.
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Post by BOGC on Jul 19, 2024 4:14:57 GMT -5
To say the majority decides talent is like teacher saying it's ok if you don't get the right answer on the math problem, as long as you tried to follow instructions and feel good about yourself. No getting the right answer to a math problem is factual. Determine how talented some one is as a singer or actor. Is more like someone deciding what food you should like. Everyone has individual taste, It's more like a famous chef trying to convince you that caviar taste better than a steak even though 95% of the people would prefer the steak. Just what makes you think Jackie has so much talent, none of the songs she has written have done any good. Jackie has probably the lowest streaming number of any singer mentioned here. None of her music videos have done much and her social media numbers are about what you would expect from a popular high school cheerleader. Who knows maybe if Mike moves to Italy Jackie can find the right people to help her. Jackie does have a good voice but that is just not enough anymore.
People vote for who wins the Grammy's not a bunch of so called experts.
Taste has nothing to do with talent. Someone can like comfort food like mac and cheese, but there's a heck of a difference between that Kraft junk out of a box (although little kids like it because it's bland) and something made from scratch with top quality ingredients by someone who knows what they're doing.
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 19, 2024 6:01:45 GMT -5
A panel of genuine experts (not the idiots judging TV "talent" shows) can approximate quantifying talent or other supposed intangibles. The problem is the majority of people either are idiots themselves, or are entertained by idiots like those TV judges. Since the quality of talent and art are undefinable and unquantifiable, it is also impossible to define "experts". Who would be qualified to pick these "experts"? Art critics, music critics, movie critics are all "experts" who are hired by newspaper editors but there are no standards to pick who these hiring editors are. It is all an arbitrary deck of cards. Which is why on Rotten Tomatoes there are lots of opposing "expert" opinions on the same movie. Art is undefinable and arbitrary.
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Post by Grace Fan on Jul 19, 2024 8:32:40 GMT -5
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Post by colt46 on Jul 19, 2024 9:00:20 GMT -5
Grace is to talented to not be doing something, she isn’t a one trick pony! She is still very young for gosh shakes! She could be writing ✍️ new music as we are talking on this forum! I am confident Grace isn’t done by a long shot ! So a new movie 🎥 isn’t a surprise to me!
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Post by colt46 on Jul 19, 2024 9:33:48 GMT -5
Good old msims, you are only allowed to like Jackie and nobody else, how boring is that? I like 👍 many singers and different kinds of music 🎶! Go ahead and dislike my post! I will continue to to praise Grace and other singers not just Jackie!
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Post by 3 Guest on Jul 19, 2024 10:41:56 GMT -5
Jackie M Evancho will never match her Nessun Dorma from PBS 13 years ago and as the guy said yins can Book it .
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Post by colt46 on Jul 19, 2024 10:53:08 GMT -5
Even so Jackie was brilliant during that performance, I am thankful for it being recorded for posterity!
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Post by amg1977 on Jul 19, 2024 12:05:19 GMT -5
Jackie has been singing professionally for 14 years. It just takes minor changes to go from CC to Pop and vice versa. Olivia Rodrigo is a newcomer she started her singing career 3 years ago and Jackie already had pop songs out. If anything The Masked Singer showed that Jackie could both sing pop and even have the stage presence for it. Olivia was an Actor since she was very young. Tate McRae is another newcomer but she went from a competitive dancer to a singer. There is no comparison how easy it is to change singing genres as opposed to go from actor or dancer to singer. Jackie just doesn't have the work ethics and she is not independent like the other. Could Jackie actually mentally handle a long tour with out her family members along. Olivia writes song while on tour or when she was on the set of her Disney show. All we hear about Jackie is excuses why she couldn't do this or can't do that. Many people see Jenna Ortega getting all these acting roles and think how lucky she is. But Maddie said Jenna hasn't had time off except for Christmases since she worked with her and that is when they were 16 (Jenna is 3 days older than Maddie) and now they will be 22 in September. I think when Jackie was younger she just got to used to people like David Foster coming along and pulling her wagon. Mike could just lay at the pool and wait for phone calls, I doubt that Mike ever did any real work getting Jackie some gigs. Those days are over and Mike knows it and seems to be abandoning ship now.
There are more than minor changes involved going from CC to pop singing. It uses an entirely different style of singing using entirely different vocal controls. It is much easier going from, for example, country to pop since both are strictly popular music genres with differences that are primarily stylistic rather than mechanical.
Your characterizations of Olivia's and Tate's careers are misleading. Olivia did not begin her singing career three years ago - that was just the beginning of her major label career. She was involved in musical theater from a young age and her recording career began in 2016 - eight years ago. She, like many Disney channel kids, sang on Disney records associated with their TV shows. She was in the cast of Bizzardvark from 2016-2019 and then the TV series High School Musical beginning in 2019-2022. In fact, a year before the rest of you had ever heard anything by Olivia, I had speculated on this forum about her future and whether or not her post-Disney album would be successful. Obviously, the answer was yes, but no one knew what she had in her at the time. But she was already having success with her singing and songwriting at that point with some of her songs being used for the TV show. So her music career was bubbling under for many years before her breakout moment three years ago.
Same for Tate. She didn't really start getting major attention until she signed with a major label for the single "Tear Myself Apart" in 2019. However, she had been posting both covers and her own songs on YouTube since she was seven years old. She then released singles independently in 2017, made her major label debut in 2019, and had her big breakout hit "You Broke Me First" in 2020. So she had been making music for nearly a decade before her first "signature song." Over those years, she had used her popularity as a young dancer to build an audience for her music and gradually got more and more popular as a singer before she really broke out into the mainstream.
Olivia is a mainstream pop artist a la Taylor Swift; Tate McRae is a dance-pop artist a la Ariana Grande. Jackie is now attempting to be an alt-pop artist which is much more of a niche genre. Even if she ends up being totally successful in her transition, she will never reach the popularity of Olivia or Tate because of the nature of that genre. The very title of "alt" (short for alternative) indicates it is the alternative to what is mainstream at the moment. Every once in a while an alternative artist will suddenly become wildly popular (Billie Eilish is the latest example) but it is lightning in a bottle when it happens. If she can increase her monthly listeners from 150,000 to 300,000 over the next few years, I would consider her transformation to be successful.
Obviously, Olivia and Tate were highly driven. I would say the same for JoJo. Now I think JoJo is about as musically talentless as anyone mentioned in this forum, but I have to credit her for her hard work. I have real doubts about her future success but it won't be for lack of effort.
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Post by msims on Jul 19, 2024 12:52:15 GMT -5
There are more than minor changes involved going from CC to pop singing.
CC singers are technical excellent singers who adapt to the material, you wouldn't compare Ruth's Chris Steakhouse to a taco stand though. Bocelli who loves opera unlike Jackie, he drops his classical technique for a more pop sound, but not a crossover sound as hes put it in the past. That is how Jackie has approached pop music especially since TMS shes gone for a far more pop sounding style because she learned it. Collabs with pop artists also makes it a crossover since Greg Camp is an accomplished pop songwriter. Id rather see Jackie record covers and some originals of Christmas music (because that could sell physical units) and write original country kind of music, I think theres a niche for country. I also think the way to increase social media numbers is to do gigs in Southeast Asia or anywhere outside the US. I think she needs to hop on someones train so to speak if theres a market or opening, she needs to hit it. TV too of course. Im not sure what the plans are with Jackie now but shes always been private and we find out later.
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Post by colt46 on Jul 19, 2024 13:03:18 GMT -5
amg1977 is very good at making post does the research?
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Post by Disappointed on Jul 19, 2024 13:05:39 GMT -5
Even so Jackie was brilliant during that performance, I am thankful for it being recorded for posterity! Colty, did you mean "posterity" or "posterior"? Just checking.
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Post by Disappointed on Jul 19, 2024 13:10:52 GMT -5
I also think the way to increase social media numbers is to do gigs in Southeast Asia or anywhere outside the US. LOL! They have no interest in her, Simsy. Move on Yeah, what's stopping her there? Oh yeah, no one cares so no one books her. Im not sure what the plans are with Jackie now but shes always been private and we find out later. There are no plans. Just increasing desperation to come up with the next sob story to get another sympathy bone or two thrown her way.
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 19, 2024 13:41:26 GMT -5
Greg Camp is an accomplished pop songwriter. WAS an accomplished pop songwriter. The last song he wrote that appeared on a significant chart (Billboard 200 or Hot 100) was in 2003, more than two decades ago.
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