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Post by colt46 on Aug 2, 2024 20:33:34 GMT -5
If you say something nice about another performer you can count on msims to give you a dislike 👎! I like many performer’s not just Jackie, it would be dull and boring just to like one singer 👩‍🎤!
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Post by donkey on Aug 2, 2024 21:51:28 GMT -5
If you say something nice about another performer you can count on msims to give you a dislike 👎! I like many performer’s not just Jackie, it would be dull and boring just to like one singer 👩‍🎤! I like plenty of other performers as well. Grace just isn't one of them.
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Post by colt46 on Aug 2, 2024 22:19:11 GMT -5
You have that right Donkey đź«Ź, we all like different performers as well as some we can agree on !
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Post by Projecting Bigly on Aug 3, 2024 1:47:40 GMT -5
That Grace interview is very tight. It sounds both conversational and carefully thought out. I imagine this is the product of her properly edited responses to interview questions. In other words, cutting the "uh..s" and "like..s" out of the response, which I'd think is what any fashion magazine would do for a spread like this. Grace is smart and articulate, and these are answers I've heard her give before. There's also some new stuff that was interesting.
She's way more confident than I've seen. I still would like to know what went wrong in her early musical career. At one time she lamented not having enough control of her first album, etc., but now she couches it as the exploitation of her natural vulnerability. I think she over-analyzes things. She was a kid, and she went along with the program. That's what kids do. The result was an album that is loved by many. Move on, as simsy would say.
It has looked like fashion modeling is her No. 1 occupation/preoccupation for awhile now. I'm thinking that music will happen only when she is mentally prepared to change focus. I'm selfishly disappointed if that is true, but she's gotta do her.
She's being very positive about her "freedom" (translation: dropped by label). I'm the last person to rate someone's ability to withstand adversity, but her long delay and label dump gives me anxiety just thinking about it. If she's not covering up or putting on a face, she's doing better than I could do. She also could be temporarily intoxicated by all this, which is understandable.
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Post by colt46 on Aug 3, 2024 7:13:36 GMT -5
As Grace gets older she can draw from more life experiences in writing ✍️ new music 🎶!
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Post by Grace Fan on Aug 3, 2024 10:04:35 GMT -5
She's way more confident than I've seen. I still would like to know what went wrong in her early musical career. At one time she lamented not having enough control of her first album, etc., but now she couches it as the exploitation of her natural vulnerability. I think she over-analyzes things. She was a kid, and she went along with the program. That's what kids do. The result was an album that is loved by many. Move on, as simsy would say. I highly doubt she was talking about her early career experiences surrounding the making of her first album when she was talking about dealing with the "vulnerability of love" and how it can be an "invitation to evil." Sounds more like she was talking about what she has been dealing with over the past couple of years. She moved on from her misgivings about her early career ages ago. She has never been one to dwell on the past. It has looked like fashion modeling is her No. 1 occupation/preoccupation for awhile now. I'm thinking that music will happen only when she is mentally prepared to change focus. I'm selfishly disappointed if that is true, but she's gotta do her. Did you miss the end of the interview? She said she's "totally focused on my album and the next project right now." Just because she still does fashion shoots doesn't mean she's not working on her music. She's being very positive about her "freedom" (translation: dropped by label). I'm the last person to rate someone's ability to withstand adversity, but her long delay and label dump gives me anxiety just thinking about it. If she's not covering up or putting on a face, she's doing better than I could do. She also could be temporarily intoxicated by all this, which is understandable. There is no proof to suggest that she was dumped. It's just as likely that she was fed up with not getting her work released, so she declined to renew her contract. In either case, she has always talked about her freedom of expression with her music. Nothing she said in the interview has anything to do with her music label status.
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Post by amg1977 on Aug 3, 2024 12:41:18 GMT -5
Being a fan, of course I'll put my two cents in.
I am a fan of both Jackie and Grace and over the last five or so years I have had my own opportunities to be frustrated with both of them. I guess my cross to bear is to like singers who with varying degrees of psychological issues. I don't know the real truth of what is behind either case apart from what they have said which is probably not the whole story in either case.
In Grace's case, she has become one of those occasional artists who tease a lot of music that sounds great and get the fans excited but then is ... *crickets*. It hasn't gotten as bad as Brian Wilson with Smile or Lauryn Hill but getting releases out of her is like pulling teeth and all she keeps saying is that an album is coming "soon" which some fans have jokingly interpreted as "Someday Or Otherwise Never." When she re-upped her original contract with Columbia there was apparently added a provision that she had to approve any releases. This probably did not seem like an issue at the time since she was churning out music at a breakneck pace and seemed excited to do more.
The problems began in 2020. She had done a couple of modeling gigs for Chanel in NYC and Paris, was at the Stargirl premiere in Hollywood, and had put the finishing touches on Letters, Volume II. She did an IG live where she played some new songs and everyone (including her label) got excited and Columbia sent her a studio setup including a new laptop on the house. A few weeks later when the pandemic was in full swing, she announced a delay in the EP because she wanted to tour when it came out and would wait a few months to see what happened. Then suddenly she decided she wanted to go to a performing arts boarding school in middle of nowhere Michigan (Interlochen) and more delays. Much to her dismay, the school had very strict rules for class attendance, bedtimes, etc (I'm not criticizing - just pointing out it's not a place for spacey free spirit types), and she predictably chafed at the bit, apparently got into some undisclosed trouble and only stayed there a year - with the second half at home. She then ended up moving in with her sister in Savannah for a year, then getting her own place in Savannah for a year, then moving to NYC. Along the way, she had at least one major relationship that was off and on for months. Over that whole period of multiple years, she at times went through bouts of depression and then energy and it seems she kept wanting to change up what her next album would look like depending on her mood. She finally did release what was supposed to be the lead single of the album ("Don't Assume What You Don't Know") and said again the new album was coming "soon." There was some pressure for another single and "Repeat" was released and then more *crickets*. A year later came "Lion's Den" then rinse and repeat. Finally, she okd a song leftover from the Letters, Volume I sessions in 2019 ("Boyfriends").
Despite stalling on her own album, she had little problem churning out music for Hollywood Stargirl and Megalopolis for release. I think her label decided to stop spending money on studio time to record songs that she would not allow to be released for undisclosed reasons. Columbia is still pushing her old material as she keeps getting over 35 million streams a year with little to no effort. She just seems to be a bit of a head case.
A few months before things came to a head, she changed her management team. It appears her and Columbia walked away from each other as she never had to give them the promised albums. Perhaps they agreed to let her out of her contract in exchange for ceding release control of her existing masters in the future. If her next album succeeds, Columbia could piggy back on it by releasing their own Grace album from the existing unreleased material. In any case, she apparently makes enough money to hire a top producer (Mike Elizondo) to record a new album with her and her new team is now negotiating a new deal. Personally, I think she's a little crazy as I doubt any other label will let her get away with the sh!t Columbia did. But then again she's young and maybe needs some life lessons.
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Post by richard on Aug 3, 2024 13:58:21 GMT -5
One thing we don't know about Grace, Kenzie, Jackie and most artist is if they own their own Masters. When you are young and starting out it is easy for a big Label to get you to sign over your rights to your own music. If so then all the proceeds from the streams go mostly to the Label. Even Taylor Swift didn't own her first masters to her songs. Grace is probably still on a high from filming Megalopolis. It even looks like she wants to live the part and use that look in her modeling gigs. Maybe she should talk to Jenna Ortega about being the bad girl in movies and how it is affecting her movie career. Like Maddie Ziegler said Jenna hasn't had any time off since they worked together except for Christmas since they were 16, next month they will both be 22. Seeing how these young actors are treated on set it's no wonder she loves acting. Sort of like seeing her on set with Olivia Rodrigo and Jenna Ortega one went the sing route the other acting it's hard to say which one is doing better career wise or more importantly which is happier. I think Singing is the harder route as you are expected to keep turning out new music just like Grace's fans expect her to do. Acting jobs all the thinking and planing is done by other plus you get long breaks from the public. I think this shows being an actor you don't have to be a public figure from day to day. Remember Olivia and Jenna's careers were basically the same until they branched of on their own. It looks to me from what you have written that Grace may just go the acting route.
Olivia Rodrigo's instagram 324 posts 37.7M followers Jenna Ortega 75 posts 37.8M followers
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Post by msims on Aug 3, 2024 14:25:40 GMT -5
Mike couldn’t provide Jackie protection, he’s a total joke! He’s lived off of Jackie for over a decade, instead of getting protection for his daughter, he pockets the money 💴 and says I got this at least if it doesn’t interfere with me getting a sun tan by the pool! You were told prior that you go after Mike frequently btw because you refuse to hold Jackie accountable for her own career decisions. Mike was put into that position because he and Jackie wanted him to be in that position. If you cannot respect Jackie and her decisions, its disingenuous to call yourself a Jackie fan.
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Post by msims on Aug 3, 2024 14:30:08 GMT -5
One thing we don't know about *****, *****, Jackie Jackie has nothing in common with them. I don't care to hear whether they do have anything in common (you compared her to models, actors, a tiktok'er, someone who sounds more like Lana Del Ray with the monotone). I asked you in another post, why are you comparing a non-mainstream CC artist to someone who is clearly alot more mainstream with a different demographic that is younger. Jackie's audience is far older and thats reflected in the social numbers.
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Post by donkey on Aug 3, 2024 14:32:39 GMT -5
Mike couldn’t provide Jackie protection, he’s a total joke! He’s lived off of Jackie for over a decade, instead of getting protection for his daughter, he pockets the money 💴 and says I got this at least if it doesn’t interfere with me getting a sun tan by the pool! You were told prior that you go after Mike frequently btw because you refuse to hold Jackie accountable for her own career decisions. Mike was put into that position because he and Jackie wanted him to be in that position. If you cannot respect Jackie and her decisions, its disingenuous to call yourself a Jackie fan. A 10-15 year old child has neither the brain function nor the life experience to make big decisions. And it's disingenuous of you to pretend like she does.
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Post by richard on Aug 3, 2024 14:37:18 GMT -5
Mike couldn’t provide Jackie protection, he’s a total joke! He’s lived off of Jackie for over a decade, instead of getting protection for his daughter, he pockets the money 💴 and says I got this at least if it doesn’t interfere with me getting a sun tan by the pool! You were told prior that you go after Mike frequently btw because you refuse to hold Jackie accountable for her own career decisions. Mike was put into that position because he and Jackie wanted him to be in that position. If you cannot respect Jackie and her decisions, its disingenuous to call yourself a Jackie fan. BS 10 year old Jackie said take my money, buy a big house and don't put it in my name. Have me support the entire family while you lay at the pool. Don't leave me any money so that I will have to live with Daddy.
The Z-Girls mom already showed her Pittsburgh home. Now she is showing her LA apartment they have also to spend time with the girls. Maddie and Kenzie have their own houses but what 20 year old wants to their parents as staying with them it sure would cut down on any social life. Seems like the moppets family is doing pretty good compared to the so called greatest singer of all time. The Coogan Law was made for young actors like Jackie. Probably every bit of money Maddie and Kenzie made went to them. Thing like renting a house in Beverly Hills for Maddie and Kenzie is something for the parents to do to support their kids, you don't take their money just because you can. Maybe some day they will make a law and call it the Jackie Evancho law to keep what was done to her from happening to others.
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Post by Grace Fan on Aug 3, 2024 14:40:32 GMT -5
It looks to me from what you have written that Grace may just go the acting route. She'll no doubt continue with acting if she keeps getting roles she likes, but it's very obvious that her music is her number one priority based on everything she has said, including her latest interview. Touring is still her favorite thing she gets to do. She won't be abandoning music any time in the near future.
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Post by msims on Aug 3, 2024 14:44:01 GMT -5
You were told prior that you go after Mike frequently btw because you refuse to hold Jackie accountable for her own career decisions. Mike was put into that position because he and Jackie wanted him to be in that position. If you cannot respect Jackie and her decisions, its disingenuous to call yourself a Jackie fan. A 10-15 year old child has neither the brain function nor the life experience to make big decisions. And it's disingenuous of you to pretend like she does. Such liberal word salad. Decisions were made by Jackie, Lisa, and Mike, you would rather Jackie have to do things against her will? And what big decisions are you talking about?
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Post by msims on Aug 3, 2024 14:45:35 GMT -5
You were told prior that you go after Mike frequently btw because you refuse to hold Jackie accountable for her own career decisions. Mike was put into that position because he and Jackie wanted him to be in that position. If you cannot respect Jackie and her decisions, its disingenuous to call yourself a Jackie fan. BS 10 year old Jackie said take my money, buy a big house and don't put it in my name. Have me support the entire family while you lay at the pool. Don't leave me any money so that I will have to live with Daddy. They already had a house at 10. The question is why did you go on amazon when you hate Jackie and her family and you fantasize that Jackie hangs out with other celebs, even though clearly she has no interest in doing so. Jackie was never mentioned on DM, she has never met the cast and you compare them to Jackie. As I said before I think, theres a Dance Mom sub-reddit why don't you move there instead.
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