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Post by msims on Aug 17, 2024 20:11:01 GMT -5
BS they micro managed Jackie's career and life. Hearsay. That doesn't mean they ever get that good at it or can comfortably play it. http://instagram.com/p/CgW14sNgyJD Shes a vocalist, she's not required to. projecting. And again projecting. You really think MP signed Jackie and then pressured into doing a covers album of Joni Mitchell covers? That is a crazy theory. MP signed her with the dangling 🥕 of creative control, you would have gathered this had you attended the zoom and became aware of the dynamic. And simply put she didn't have original songs to record at that time. There is always a simple explanation. She was writing in Nashville prior to COT coming out and performed Smoking Gun at the Nashville COT show. She was even writing while touring. I have complained that MP booked the dinner theater dates which are out of her demo. Nope, you're projecting again. Because there are posters who want to hurt her and for her to fail, is their problem.Amazon did not have many rules except for repetitive posts like colt's. Soc has deleted posts with insults and doxxing. I would say you are trolling when you post stripper-grams and enabling stalking as I comment on below as well as the constant projections. He did not run Amazon though. He decided to create a forum in Jackie's name but change it and allow things that no forum would allow out of common sense. The General Discussion was for anything Jackie. He created Other Artists sub sections and theres a thread for your artist but you refuse to use it. If I went on other artists forum that you were on and pushed Jackie info in a main thread rather than other artists thread, you could describe me as being a troll because thats the act of a troll. ⬆️ If Jackie is doing all the preparations you constantly assure everyone here is happening plus what's on her social media, she would not have time for anything else. Don't know what you're saying here other than projecting that I would know what shes doing when shes off social media, I don't and its not my business. Defending stalking behavior is odd to me. Divorced and living with his girlfriend, Christina. Hearsay
Simon has always produced AGT and he even brought Jackie for the Christmas special that year.You're aware of the hearsay and btw its none of my business either. peak at #22 on the Adult Contemporary chart isn't going to bring in enough fans to make a difference. Her first AC hit.She just did just fine, given that it was a gay venue.That doesn't make any sense. So you still do not understand CC? CC doesnt require classical training and I don't need to even explain that. You do know there was a pandemic and she had no home studio to record, despite that she did post videos on Instagram and during the pandemic when she was off social media, her facebook numbers increased.She doesn't need a career rescue. You gotta stop believing the hearsay you read online.
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Post by donkey on Aug 17, 2024 21:30:46 GMT -5
I think Jackie wasn't sure what do with the next album when she first signed with Melody Place. I think she might have suggested doing original music. Fred did an interview about that time where he stated he wouldnt produce original songs unless it was written by professionals. No way to know if he and Jackie had that conversation, but I think it's very possible. Anyway, Fred suggested Joni Mitchell to Jackie and she decided to go with it. She was familiar with some of music from that era. Also, Jackie likes to get along, not have any conflict, etc, so she likely just agreed with his suggestion just to get along and probably had no problem doing it anyway. Later, when Melody Place came under new management that was willing to "nuture" new, young talent, that gave Jackie the go ahead to take on recording her original material.
The next question is, with the very limited success of her EP, what comes next? Will Melody Place keep working with Jackie on an EP Part 2, or is that going to be mostly it? Or, mabye work with her to release a couple of singles? The fact that the EP didn't have much success, and the fact that she barely sang any of the EP songs in concerts, and in fact, hardly had any concerts, makes me wonder what to expect next. To be honest, while I have enjoyed her EP music a lot, more than COT or Two Hearts or The Debut for sure, at this point, I expect very little.
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Post by The Jackinator on Aug 17, 2024 23:00:31 GMT -5
I think Jackie wasn't sure what do with the next album when she first signed with Melody Place. I think she might have suggested doing original music. Fred did an interview about that time where he stated he wouldnt produce original songs unless it was written by professionals. No way to know if he and Jackie had that conversation, but I think it's very possible. Anyway, Fred suggested Joni Mitchell to Jackie and she decided to go with it. She was familiar with some of music from that era. Also, Jackie likes to get along, not have any conflict, etc, so she likely just agreed with his suggestion just to get along and probably had no problem doing it anyway. Later, when Melody Place came under new management that was willing to "nuture" new, young talent, that gave Jackie the go ahead to take on recording her original material. The next question is, with the very limited success of her EP, what comes next? Will Melody Place keep working with Jackie on an EP Part 2, or is that going to be mostly it? Or, mabye work with her to release a couple of singles? The fact that the EP didn't have much success, and the fact that she barely sang any of the EP songs in concerts, and in fact, hardly had any concerts, makes me wonder what to expect next. To be honest, while I have enjoyed her EP music a lot, more than COT or Two Hearts or The Debut for sure, at this point, I expect very little. I don't know what complications might have been involved, but IMO, Jackie would have been better served making an album with a variety of songs from a hodgepodge of artists rather than just Joni Mitchell songs. She could have included music from Barbara Streisand, Joni Mitchell, Karen Carpenter, Sarah Brightman, Carly Simon and/or male artists as well. That kind of album likely would have had more universal appeal. Before COT, I could not name one Joni Mitchell song off the top of my head
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Post by The Jackinator on Aug 17, 2024 23:14:47 GMT -5
She doesn't need a career rescue. You gotta stop believing the hearsay you read online.You gotta step away from your Jackie Evancho shrine more often
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Post by It's Just Business on Aug 17, 2024 23:16:51 GMT -5
I predict that the next time we hear about her label is when we find out that they dumped her for failure to perform as expected. Of course we won't know the reason, and Jackie will frame it as wanting to explore new horizons or something like that.
What is all that sh!t that simzee posted? Jesus my finger is sore from scrolling past it.
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Post by M Sims on Aug 17, 2024 23:51:09 GMT -5
The Stony show is doing good actually and sold an additional 50 seats since Soc updated his op that and the Texas show were good bookings. Again I think if they just had not booked them dinner theaters. Why are the other shows doing good but not those? Love to hear a thought on that but not holding my breathe.
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Post by richard on Aug 18, 2024 0:07:13 GMT -5
I predict that the next time we hear about her label is when we find out that they dumped her for failure to perform as expected. Of course we won't know the reason, and Jackie will frame it as wanting to explore new horizons or something like that. What is all that sh!t that simzee posted? Jesus my finger is sore from scrolling past it. Could you blame them. They help her write a new Album then she doesn't even sing her new album at the few concerts she has. She needs to decide what direction she is going in. Singing two different genres that are at the opposite ends of the spectrum that have two different type of fans isn't going to work. I think she should start a new instagram and youtube account but keep the ones she got. Use a catchy stage name like her private account and call herself lil bitch or something like that. Stop with the poor little old me BS as the younger generations aren't buying it.
Maybe even get a boyfriend or girlfriend and then break up with him or her and write a song about it that seems to work for a lot of new singers.
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Post by BOGC on Aug 18, 2024 6:39:22 GMT -5
Maybe even get a boyfriend or girlfriend and then break up with him or her and write a song about it that seems to work for a lot of new singers. Mess up your life because it's a commercially good move, what a strategy.
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Post by amg1977 on Aug 18, 2024 11:00:28 GMT -5
BS they micro managed Jackie's career and life. Hearsay. That doesn't mean they ever get that good at it or can comfortably play it. http://instagram.com/p/CgW14sNgyJD Shes a vocalist, she's not required to. projecting. And again projecting. You really think MP signed Jackie and then pressured into doing a covers album of Joni Mitchell covers? That is a crazy theory. MP signed her with the dangling 🥕 of creative control, you would have gathered this had you attended the zoom and became aware of the dynamic. And simply put she didn't have original songs to record at that time. There is always a simple explanation. She was writing in Nashville prior to COT coming out and performed Smoking Gun at the Nashville COT show. She was even writing while touring. I have complained that MP booked the dinner theater dates which are out of her demo. Nope, you're projecting again. Because there are posters who want to hurt her and for her to fail, is their problem.Amazon did not have many rules except for repetitive posts like colt's. Soc has deleted posts with insults and doxxing. I would say you are trolling when you post stripper-grams and enabling stalking as I comment on below as well as the constant projections. He did not run Amazon though. He decided to create a forum in Jackie's name but change it and allow things that no forum would allow out of common sense. The General Discussion was for anything Jackie. He created Other Artists sub sections and theres a thread for your artist but you refuse to use it. If I went on other artists forum that you were on and pushed Jackie info in a main thread rather than other artists thread, you could describe me as being a troll because thats the act of a troll. ⬆️ If Jackie is doing all the preparations you constantly assure everyone here is happening plus what's on her social media, she would not have time for anything else. Don't know what you're saying here other than projecting that I would know what shes doing when shes off social media, I don't and its not my business. Defending stalking behavior is odd to me. Divorced and living with his girlfriend, Christina. Hearsay
Simon has always produced AGT and he even brought Jackie for the Christmas special that year.You're aware of the hearsay and btw its none of my business either. peak at #22 on the Adult Contemporary chart isn't going to bring in enough fans to make a difference. Her first AC hit.She just did just fine, given that it was a gay venue.That doesn't make any sense. So you still do not understand CC? CC doesnt require classical training and I don't need to even explain that. You do know there was a pandemic and she had no home studio to record, despite that she did post videos on Instagram and during the pandemic when she was off social media, her facebook numbers increased.She doesn't need a career rescue. You gotta stop believing the hearsay you read online.
[ig post of Jackie playing piano] Shes a vocalist, she's not required to.
You have a habit of replacing the actual context with one you think supports your position, but, unfortunately for you, everyone can go back to my original posts and see the real context. This was my discussion of Jackie being proficient at bass and how I never had seen her that proficient on an instrument previously. Furthermore, I never stated proficiency on an instrument was important for a vocalist - I stated it was important as a songwriter. The fact that you can blatantly misrepresent the context of the conversation demonstrates how desperate are your delusions.
As for the IG post, I can show you a past IG post of me at a piano but that is not evidence of any proficiency. The importance is for a songwriter to quickly try different chord progressions to see if it works and then construct a melody around it. If you saw any of the IG lives or TikToks discussed here of Billie, Emily, or Grace writing songs on the fly live in front of their fans, you would have some idea how helpful having such proficiency can be. The fact that this even needs explaining is a sign of just how clueless you are on this matter.
projecting.
And again projecting. You really think MP signed Jackie and then pressured into doing a covers album of Joni Mitchell covers?
Like your previous use of "gaslighting," your current use of "projection," is just a psychological term you latch onto without properly understanding the meaning. I did not see the Zoom you mentioned so how could I be projecting by pointing out I did not know what she said at that live and you did and still provided no more information than what I did?
As for Jackie doing an album of JM covers, I don't think it was the people at MP in general who pressured Jackie so much as then MP president Fred Molin in particular. Jackie never expressed any previous interest in Joni Mitchell and around the same time as her album was released, Molin gave an interview discussed on this board about how much he disliked singers with no track record of songwriting thinking they could write their own songs. We all know Jackie is not a confrontational person and was going through a rough period of her life. She simply was not someone who was capable of standing up for herself. Lisa's later remarks on that album, however ill-advised the public nature of her outburst might have been, is some indication that she knew something we didn't. The fact that Molin was removed shortly thereafter further indicates others in decision making roles at MP were none too pleased with his leadership.
That is a crazy theory. MP signed her with the dangling 🥕 of creative control, you would have gathered this had you attended the zoom and became aware of the dynamic. And simply put she didn't have original songs to record at that time. There is always a simple explanation. She was writing in Nashville prior to COT coming out and performed Smoking Gun at the Nashville COT show. She was even writing while touring. I have complained that MP booked the dinner theater dates which are out of her demo.
Again, whatever Jackie might have been promised by some at the label may have been disconnected to what Molin preferred. I find it ironic that you believe it so hard to accept that someone at a label might go back on their promises. As for the explanation, I can't take it seriously but I do think Jackie is smart for using it. Her battle was not with MP so much as Molin and he is long gone. There is no reason for her to reopen old wounds that do not matter anymore. Just have an explanation that sweeps it under the rug and move on with the people who support you.
Look at the evidence. Lisa said over the years that she had written "all these amazing songs." Jackie herself said she had been writing all along. Are you going to tell me she didn't have at least a few songs to use and they couldn't come with some professional songwriters IN NASHVILLE to get in a room with Jackie and come up with more? One of the songs from Solla was written years ago according to Jackie. I'm not buying it. This was Mollin's idea and Jackie was not in any emotional shape to fight for what was promised to her.
[cut and paste about Spotify]
Nothing in there contradicts anything I have said repeatedly. Spotify bases their payments on a contract they signed with the three major label conglomerates. I have shown you the breakdown of payments from Billboard reflected in that contract. They send money to the label and the label gives 16% of that money to the artist. When you are dealing with any kind of volume of streams the irregularities even themselves out (law of large numbers) and you come down to roughly $0.02 per stream to the label and hence roughly $0.0032 per stream to the artist minus any cash advances. This was verified by your own sources such as Greg Camp so I don't know why you keep insisting otherwise other than willful ignorance. The fact is the labels no longer make records - everything is farmed out to streaming distributors and album presses. The label is more a lending and marketing service. The money comes fom Spotify, Apple, Amazon, etc.
Simon has always produced AGT and he even brought Jackie for the Christmas special that year.
AGT had been suffering ratings losses for a few years. Some might have had to do with changes on the panel or just talent show fatigue. Season 10 was a particularly poor one in terms of the talent available. Simon placed himself on the revised panel to give the show some energy. He drew fans from his former stint on American Idol. Grace just happened to be the beneficiary of the ratings boost he provided and the unusual willingness to let her perform her originals. Normally, they didn't allow it but perhaps there was a willingness to shake things up and see what happens.
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Post by amg1977 on Aug 18, 2024 11:16:25 GMT -5
Behind the scenes with the "Call It What You Want" video from the makeup artist:
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Post by Disappointed on Aug 18, 2024 15:31:27 GMT -5
Well, you may be able to get a decent burger at Jackie's Burger Barn (coming soon).
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Post by donkey on Aug 18, 2024 15:35:21 GMT -5
Well, you may be able to get a decent burger at Jackie's Burger Barn (coming soon). Hmmmm...will you be cooking my burger Disappointed? ROFL
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Post by Disappointed on Aug 18, 2024 15:37:43 GMT -5
roughly $0.0032 per stream to the artist minus any cash advances Still waiting for you to produce her tax return. Or at the very least, a copy of her checks from Spotify. Then we can talk turkey. Otherwise, "average" and "roughly" and no info on any advances or expenses that may be deducted doesn't cut it. You have zero info on her specific contracts or what was paid to her, if anything. Some artists don't even break even when various items are taken into account that end up being more than their streaming checks. It's all situationally dependent.
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Post by Disappointed on Aug 18, 2024 16:09:30 GMT -5
Well, you may be able to get a decent burger at Jackie's Burger Barn (coming soon). Hmmmm...will you be cooking my burger Disappointed? ROFL No, but if you go across the street to my hot dog stand, I will make you my house specialty...look for Disappointed's Donkey Dogs.
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Post by johnnyb on Aug 18, 2024 16:47:03 GMT -5
Hmmmm...will you be cooking my burger Disappointed? ROFL No, but if you go across the street to my hot dog stand, I will make you my house specialty...look for Disappointed's Donkey Dogs. I think you two should get a room. 🥰 ROFL!
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