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Post by Socal Fan on Oct 25, 2024 5:35:37 GMT -5
Not sure how we missed this youtube.com/watch?v=hR4EZ1QDqjY&t=2s Sadly, nothing new here. She's telling us all the things she told us before. It's rehearsed and scripted. |
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Post by richard on Oct 25, 2024 5:45:55 GMT -5
Not sure how we missed this youtube.com/watch?v=hR4EZ1QDqjY&t=2s Sadly, nothing new here. She's telling us all the things she told us before. It's rehearsed and scripted. Yes but she looked good and not like she hasn't eaten in a week. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Oct 25, 2024 5:54:32 GMT -5
Black Hole Sun (BHS)
1. I don't like the song because I don't understand the lyrics. For me, a song has to be about something. The melody is nice but that's not enough. But, as I have long said, my opinion means nothing - the only thing that matters is the opinion of the public.
2. I have long said that in order for a cover to be successful, it has to feel like a new song because of one or more of the following: (1) it is sufficiently different from the original, or (2) the original was done so long ago that the public has forgotten about it, or (3) the original was never heard by much of the public. If none of the above apply, then the public will simply keep listening to the original. This was the problem with COT and BHS has the same problem. So I expect BHS to be a very modest success, at best.
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Post by BOGC on Oct 25, 2024 6:00:40 GMT -5
Not sure how we missed this youtube.com/watch?v=hR4EZ1QDqjY&t=2s Sadly, nothing new here. She's telling us all the things she told us before. It's rehearsed and scripted. Rehearsed and scripted is probably what she needs. She's hit or miss at spontaneous, unrehearsed answers. One could probably attend Toastmasters to learn to appear like a spontaneous speaker even though that wasn't one's natural mode. Organized notes including an appropriate joke or two, and a podium that's at an angle that hides that you have notes, that's probably the trick, if there's no teleprompter available. :-) No, just using social media more is NOT a learning experience. It's like taking the shy and scrawny kid and saying ok, now you're on the wrestling team, like it or not. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Oct 25, 2024 6:07:08 GMT -5
One could probably attend Toastmasters to learn to appear like a spontaneous speaker even though that wasn't one's natural mode. She can appear spontaneous but if she says only what she has said before, nobody will buy it. |
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Post by BOGC on Oct 25, 2024 6:10:31 GMT -5
Black Hole Sun (BHS) 1. I don't like the song because I don't understand the lyrics. For me, a song has to be about something. The melody is nice but that's not enough. But, as I have long said, my opinion means nothing - the only thing that matters is the opinion of the public. 2. I have long said that in order for a cover to be successful, it has to feel like a new song because of one or more of the following: (1) it is sufficiently different from the original, or (2) the original was done so long ago that the public has forgotten about it, or (3) the original was never heard by much of the public. If none of the above apply, then the public will simply keep listening to the original. This was the problem with COT and BHS has the same problem. So I expect BHS to be a very modest success, at best. The lyrics were from what I've read pretty random, just mind wandering starting from the idea of the title. I agree that lyrics should generally mean something. The melody, at least the way it was done in the original, bothered me more though; seems like they were always a bit off, and intentionally, too. I don't make a habit of listening to fingernails on a chalkboard, although I suppose it can carry a message of sorts. There is room to make it different from the original, still recognizable but a little less irritating IMO. The original was released 30 years ago; it did rather well, but somehow I don't recall it at all, despite sometimes listening to stations that might have played it. So there's probably plenty of people both alive then and younger that have never heard it. |
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Post by BOGC on Oct 25, 2024 6:12:46 GMT -5
One could probably attend Toastmasters to learn to appear like a spontaneous speaker even though that wasn't one's natural mode. She can appear spontaneous but if she says only what she has said before, nobody will buy it. She's not going to dish up scandal or anything like that, not her style. So there's not a lot of new and interesting things to say, at least not if one doesn't want to talk about things being worked on but still far from date certain. |
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Post by 1 Guest on Oct 25, 2024 8:16:46 GMT -5
Black Hole Sun (BHS) 1. I don't like the song because I don't understand the lyrics. For me, a song has to be about something. The melody is nice but that's not enough. But, as I have long said, my opinion means nothing - the only thing that matters is the opinion of the public. 2. I have long said that in order for a cover to be successful, it has to feel like a new song because of one or more of the following: (1) it is sufficiently different from the original, or (2) the original was done so long ago that the public has forgotten about it, or (3) the original was never heard by much of the public. If none of the above apply, then the public will simply keep listening to the original. This was the problem with COT and BHS has the same problem. So I expect BHS to be a very modest success, at best. Here's a video of the original, remastered, that was uploaded in 2010. It has 270M views, so someone must have liked it. And you can easily understand the words here. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Oct 25, 2024 9:35:59 GMT -5
Here's a video of the original, remastered, that was uploaded in 2010. It has 270M views, so someone must have liked it. And you can easily understand the words here. Sorry, I meant that I could decipher the words he was singing but I didn't understand the meaning of the words. They seem to be disconnected unrelated thoughts. I agree the original is still a popular song. On Spotify, it has 744M plays and a current popularity index of 77% (https://songstats.com/track/lsyompuh/black-hole-sun). |
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Post by 1 Guest on Oct 25, 2024 9:46:59 GMT -5
Here's a video of the original, remastered, that was uploaded in 2010. It has 270M views, so someone must have liked it. And you can easily understand the words here. Sorry, I meant that I could decipher the words he was singing but I didn't understand the meaning of the words. They seem to be disconnected unrelated thoughts. I agree the original is still a popular song. On Spotify, it has 744M plays and a current popularity index of 77% (https://songstats.com/track/lsyompuh/black-hole-sun). Yes, I knew you meant that you didn't understand the meaning of the song, I still don't and don't care to try to figure it out, but I didn't understand a lot of the words either. Then again, I often don't when I listen to Jackie. |
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Post by donkey on Oct 25, 2024 10:14:09 GMT -5
Sorry, I meant that I could decipher the words he was singing but I didn't understand the meaning of the words. They seem to be disconnected unrelated thoughts. I agree the original is still a popular song. On Spotify, it has 744M plays and a current popularity index of 77% (https://songstats.com/track/lsyompuh/black-hole-sun). Yes, I knew you meant that you didn't understand the meaning of the song, I still don't and don't care to try to figure it out, but I didn't understand a lot of the words either. Then again, I often don't when I listen to Jackie. Grunge era, outdated music. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Oct 25, 2024 11:15:18 GMT -5
Grunge era, outdated music. I have no idea what grunge music even is so I googled it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GrungeLyrics and themes
Grunge lyrics are typically dark, nihilistic, wretched, angst-filled and anguished, often addressing themes such as social alienation, self-doubt, abuse, assault, neglect, betrayal, social isolation/emotional isolation, psychological trauma, and a desire for freedom.This sounds like most of the lyrics Jackie has ever written (Solla, 2H Pt 2). Maybe Jackie is a grunge artist. That would explain why she was so drawn to Black Hole Sun. |
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Post by amg1977 on Oct 25, 2024 11:25:38 GMT -5
Black Hole Sun (BHS) 1. I don't like the song because I don't understand the lyrics. For me, a song has to be about something. The melody is nice but that's not enough. But, as I have long said, my opinion means nothing - the only thing that matters is the opinion of the public. 2. I have long said that in order for a cover to be successful, it has to feel like a new song because of one or more of the following: (1) it is sufficiently different from the original, or (2) the original was done so long ago that the public has forgotten about it, or (3) the original was never heard by much of the public. If none of the above apply, then the public will simply keep listening to the original. This was the problem with COT and BHS has the same problem. So I expect BHS to be a very modest success, at best.
The lyrics are best understood in the context of the grunge movement of the 1990s. The Seattle-based rock movement was largely one of alienation and many of the songs were depressing but with an edge of nihilistic resignation rather than emotional angst. The Seattle grunge bands shared this outlook with some other alternative bands of the time such as Smashing Pumpkins. Soundgarden was arguably the third biggest band in Seattle's grunge movement (after Nirvana and Pearl Jam). The whole movement was one rooted in alienation. The lyrics were often suggestive of moods rather than concrete ideas with music that seemed to have a droning quality. It's been argued that grunge was fueled by a backlash against the wretched excesses and commercialism of the "hair bands" of the late 1980s. In a similar manner, pop punk, nu-metal, and Brit-pop bands (e.g., respectively, Green Day, Limp Bizkit, and Oasis) could be seen as reactions against the monotony of grunge and post-grunge alt bands that recycled the same themes.
I don't really think this was something Jackie was strong-armed into doing as was possibly the case with COT. I don't see MP saying, "Hey, Jackie, now's the time to do a grunge song!" I really think this is a song that means something to her and she wanted to record it. From MPs point of view it is a stopgap while she works on new material and likely gives her something to sing on the Echosmith tour to which an alt audience would be receptive. You could, I suppose, theorize why a song so deeply rooted in alienation appeals to Jackie but it could be all the references in the lyrics about disguises and fear just reminds her of Halloween.
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Post by donkey on Oct 25, 2024 11:30:40 GMT -5
Grunge era, outdated music. I have no idea what grunge music even is so I googled it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GrungeLyrics and themes
Grunge lyrics are typically dark, nihilistic, wretched, angst-filled and anguished, often addressing themes such as social alienation, self-doubt, abuse, assault, neglect, betrayal, social isolation/emotional isolation, psychological trauma, and a desire for freedom.This sounds like most of the lyrics Jackie has ever written (Solla, 2H Pt 2). Maybe Jackie is a grunge artist. That would explain why she was so drawn to Black Hole Sun. When I think of grunge music, I think of Nirvana. |
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Post by amg1977 on Oct 25, 2024 11:33:22 GMT -5
When I think of grunge music, I think of Nirvana.
Hard to say if Grunge would have ever gotten a listen had Nirvana not come up with the song and video that destroyed hair bands forever:
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