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Post by amg1977 on Oct 25, 2024 11:35:48 GMT -5
Then, of course, there is "Weird Al" Yankovic's classic parody of Nirvana:
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Post by richard on Oct 25, 2024 11:36:42 GMT -5
RE: Black Hole Sun
There is no music video, If you want to hear it you have to pay to stream it.
No real artist does that. That smells like Mike is behind it.
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Post by 1 Guest on Oct 25, 2024 11:42:59 GMT -5
RE: Black Hole Sun There is no music video, If you want to hear it you have to pay to stream it. No real artist does that. That smells like Mike is behind it. It's on YouTube and I listened on Spotify with a free account. |
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Post by amg1977 on Oct 25, 2024 11:47:08 GMT -5
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Post by colt46 on Oct 25, 2024 12:43:50 GMT -5
Yes but she didn’t have the meddlesome Mike Evancho holding her back either!
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Post by BOGC on Oct 25, 2024 12:57:36 GMT -5
I still don't think the words make much sense, being simply something that is described as having followed quickly from the title - a misheard phrase by a news announcer.
But there's a certain feeling to it. The combination of uneasy melody and uneasy lyrics and the voice of the original lead singer that with that material also was uncomfortable to me (although it might be tolerable on something more upbeat), hid that.
I can get some of the feeling now. I can't say it will be a favorite, but I wouldn't avoid listening to it sometimes, as I probably would with the original.
Sometimes changes and a simplified approach make things a little more obvious. At least for some of us.
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Post by BOGC on Oct 25, 2024 13:05:22 GMT -5
RE: Black Hole Sun There is no music video, If you want to hear it you have to pay to stream it. No real artist does that. That smells like Mike is behind it. No you don't. I listened to it on whatever is on the top of the other site, and I didn't have to pay. soundcloud.com/jackie-evancho/black-hole-sunedit: although I have a free soundcloud account, I wasn't even logged in (and didn't have to be) to play it, either on the embed on the other site, or on the soundcloud site. edit 2: it IS on Youtube, not a video to accompany the sound, just a still of the cover image. But I wouldn't expect anyone to drop $10k+ on a long shot experiment, not even if they could easily afford it. And a video would have delayed it longer. edit 3: if memory serves, With or Without You was a song Mike suggested. Seven years older than Black Hole Sun, and quite a different style. I wouldn't assume that anything to do with the latter was his idea. edit 4: it's also on Spotify, and you don't need a paid subscription or any other sort of paying to play it, although you do need to be logged in. So, wrong (you don't need to pay) and wrong (neither imaginary and historical but not current Mike influence on needing to pay, nor likely on song selection either.). I call full-on BS on the post I'm replying to. For someone who does sometimes find and post things first, not checking more thoroughly was sloppy and/or letting bias deter the effort to check. |
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Post by Gen. Eric Kuhver on Oct 25, 2024 13:37:11 GMT -5
Jackie sings all the right notes, beats and chord progressions – in other words, karaoke. It sounds like a canned backing track, probably purchased wherever backing tracks are sold. It's unremarkable and, because of who she's covering, kind of annoying to me as a Soundgarden fan personally.
It's yet another song I wish she hadn't karaoke-ized. There are GOBS of Chris Cornell fans out there, many of which would click on Jackie's version based on the song title. I promise you there will be criticism, and those comments will quickly be blocked. And for the stray comment that gets through, her loyal soldiers of the White Knight Army will slam and harass anyone who says anything "negative."
This version by Norah Jones (daughter of Ravi Shankar) is what I think of as a cover – a new and different version, a reinterpretation done in the performer's unique voice and arrangement. It's a tribute performance of the song five days after Cornell's death. It's just her and her piano, done in her own style. You may not care for it, but that's not the point.
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Post by BOGC on Oct 25, 2024 13:52:04 GMT -5
Credits for Jackie's version on YouTube, in case anyone wonders who was involved (lyricist credits the guy that wrote the original):
Provided to YouTube by The Orchard Enterprises [me: a distributor that Melody Place has used before]
Black Hole Sun · Jackie Evancho · Chris Cornell
Black Hole Sun
℗ 2024 Melody Place LLC
Released on: 2024-10-25
Producer: Greg Camp
Producer: Jackie Evancho
Studio Producer: Gregory Camp
Mastering Engineer: Eric Conn
Studio Producer: Jacqueline Evancho
Lyricist: Chris Cornell
Music Publisher: Hipgnosis Side G
Music Publisher: Peermusic Melodies o/b/o Susan Silver Publishers
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Post by BOGC on Oct 25, 2024 14:22:12 GMT -5
Jackie sings all the right notes, beats and chord progressions – in other words, karaoke. It sounds like a canned backing track, probably purchased wherever backing tracks are sold. It's unremarkable and, because of who she's covering, kind of annoying to me as a Soundgarden fan personally. It's yet another song I wish she hadn't karaoke-ized. There are GOBS of Chris Cornell fans out there, many of which would click on Jackie's version based on the song title. I promise you there will be criticism, and those comments will quickly be blocked. And for the stray comment that gets through, her loyal soldiers of the White Knight Army will slam and harass anyone who says anything "negative." This version by Norah Jones (daughter of Ravi Shankar) is what I think of as a cover – a new and different version, a reinterpretation done in the performer's unique voice and arrangement. It's a tribute performance of the song five days after Cornell's death. It's just her and her piano, done in her own style. You may not care for it, but that's not the point. Allow me to differ. I rather like the cover you posted, as I like Jackie's too. I don't see either as karaoke, far from it. Not saying Soundgarden wasn't good at what they did, but that piling on all the (to me) downer attributes in the original made it totally inaccessible to me. I would probably avoid most grunge originals, but some covers tone their characteristic attitude down to something that leaves the rest still open to me. Is taking some of the edge off karaoke? Not if it expands the range of people to which a song can communicate. |
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Post by BOGC on Oct 25, 2024 14:30:11 GMT -5
This sounds like most of the lyrics Jackie has ever written (Solla, 2H Pt 2). Maybe Jackie is a grunge artist. That would explain why she was so drawn to Black Hole Sun. Hers do tend to be dealing with internals rather than bad ex's or something more routine. But I think that while the wrestling with those more than externals may have called to her, that her interpretation takes it beyond grunge, to something that lets it be understood even to those who find nearly all grunge to be a turn-off or change-the-station experience. IMO most grunge, punk, metal, gangsta rap, etc are what people used to say about rock and roll, the devil's music. Oh, not literally, but if you're going to criticize what came before, you'd darn well better really understand what you criticize, and suggest something better. IMO all protestors should spend a week an a well simulated (if far safer) concentration camp, to find out that most of what they complain about is BS. (I do sometimes get a laugh out of near parodies of punk, like that bit "I Hate You" that was done for Star Trek IV. |
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Post by amg1977 on Oct 25, 2024 20:15:14 GMT -5
I still don't think the words make much sense, being simply something that is described as having followed quickly from the title - a misheard phrase by a news announcer. But there's a certain feeling to it. The combination of uneasy melody and uneasy lyrics and the voice of the original lead singer that with that material also was uncomfortable to me (although it might be tolerable on something more upbeat), hid that. I can get some of the feeling now. I can't say it will be a favorite, but I wouldn't avoid listening to it sometimes, as I probably would with the original. Sometimes changes and a simplified approach make things a little more obvious. At least for some of us. There is a general "grunge" voice that became popular in the 90s. A male, usually lower register, slurring words to accentuate the droning quality of the music. At certain key points, it will grow in intensity and end up with screaming. It is very mood based with aluenation as the common theme. The overall effect is much like a musical version of "uncanny valley" - the unease one feels when something seems close to human but not quite human. The ultimate example of this is Eddie Vedder's vocals on "Jeremy" and its accompanying video. It was done three decades ago but I doubt anyone would dare do something like that today. |
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Post by colt46 on Oct 26, 2024 21:09:37 GMT -5
Ok I get it Jackie isn’t popular, that’s ok ✅ I am still a fan even if I am the only one!
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Post by BOGC on Oct 26, 2024 22:09:11 GMT -5
Ok I get it Jackie isn’t popular, that’s ok ✅ I am still a fan even if I am the only one! You're not. |
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Post by richard on Oct 26, 2024 22:20:37 GMT -5
Ok I get it Jackie isn’t popular, that’s ok ✅ I am still a fan even if I am the only one! But why isn't Jackie popular even with all the "Got Talent Shows" she has been in. Until Jackie realizes that she will always be unpopular and not have the type of career she was/is capable of having.
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