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Post by Band in a Van on Oct 27, 2024 1:43:00 GMT -5
Jackie is carrying too much baggage. I've said this before: It's her name. If you put her name in a playlist you'll get her new song and then a bunch of stuff that'll make most people go "Eww, no." It's the name. It's the name.
Disappear into a band. Learn to play an instrument. Be that player in the band. Share the vocals among player/singers. Don't name the band anything with "Jackie" or "Evancho" in it. Call it "The Units" or "Bellyflop" or something urban or something that looks good on a telephone pole. Don't be the headliner. Stop whining about health. Stop talking about AGT. Stop being the victim. Start being a musician. Rehearse in someone's garage. Play taverns in Pittsburg. Wait tables on the off days. Live the life of a startup musician. Start experiencing being a twenty-something before it's too late. Stop trying to cling to stardom. If you can't let go, do the Jackie Evancho thing once or twice a year in some place like Texas. There is no ladder to climb with "Jackie Evancho" written on it.
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Post by colt46 on Oct 27, 2024 6:35:52 GMT -5
i think Jackie knows she isn’t popular like the top singers are, she has in my opinion decided to do music 🎶 on her own terms !
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Post by colt46 on Oct 27, 2024 6:37:31 GMT -5
I can’t see Jackie waiting tables!
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Post by Socal Fan on Oct 27, 2024 7:04:59 GMT -5
Jackie is carrying too much baggage. I've said this before: It's her name. If you put her name in a playlist you'll get her new song and then a bunch of stuff that'll make most people go "Eww, no." It's the name. It's the name. Disappear into a band. Learn to play an instrument. Be that player in the band. Share the vocals among player/singers. Don't name the band anything with "Jackie" or "Evancho" in it. Call it "The Units" or "Bellyflop" or something urban or something that looks good on a telephone pole. Don't be the headliner. Stop whining about health. Stop talking about AGT. Stop being the victim. Start being a musician. Rehearse in someone's garage. Play taverns in Pittsburg. Wait tables on the off days. Live the life of a startup musician. Start experiencing being a twenty-something before it's too late. Stop trying to cling to stardom. If you can't let go, do the Jackie Evancho thing once or twice a year in some place like Texas. There is no ladder to climb with "Jackie Evancho" written on it. That is precisely what Jackie is doing. She has accepted 3rd billing performing concerts in 250 person SRO venues that charge $30 admission. That's the life of a startup musician. Changing her name is unnecessary since no pop fan knows her name anyway. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Oct 27, 2024 7:07:24 GMT -5
she has in my opinion decided to do music 🎶 on her own terms ! She should have decided to do music on Taylor Swift's terms. Much more glamorous and lucrative. |
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Post by eulenspiegel on Oct 27, 2024 9:59:59 GMT -5
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Post by BOGC on Oct 27, 2024 12:34:02 GMT -5
Jackie is carrying too much baggage. I've said this before: It's her name. If you put her name in a playlist you'll get her new song and then a bunch of stuff that'll make most people go "Eww, no." It's the name. It's the name. Disappear into a band. Learn to play an instrument. Be that player in the band. Share the vocals among player/singers. Don't name the band anything with "Jackie" or "Evancho" in it. Call it "The Units" or "Bellyflop" or something urban or something that looks good on a telephone pole. Don't be the headliner. Stop whining about health. Stop talking about AGTe tables on the off days. Live the life of a startup musician. Start experiencing being a twenty-something before it's too late. Stop trying to cling to stardom. If you can't let go, do the Jackie Evancho thing once or twice a year in some place like Texas. There is no ladder to climb with "Jackie Evancho" written on it. Anyone who can't accept that the same person can have been a cute kid singing classical (not mostly, but at least classical sounding) songs, and an adult singing alt-pop, should check their brains and prejudices and stay home and not attend anything, neither Jackie nor some head-banger cr@p. Plenty of Disney kids start doing kid appropriate songs and move on to adult (not always trashy or OTT rebellious) songs. Obviously it can be done. (some established adult performers have even been known to perform in very different genres; not all get how to do each in its own style, but some do; in terms of sound if perhaps not stagecraft, IMO Jackie certainly does, because she hears something in songs that even amateurs with near perfect pitch like myself often don't; I found BHS needlessly irritating in the original, but just purposely disquieting when Jackie did it, letting me access it in a way I couldn't before) Rather, look for or write pop music that depends at least as much on awesome vocals as CC does. That too can be done, Evanescence did it. It probably does require more experience at writing... Being a teen or early 20's is vastly overrated. It's either you're working anyway, or you're trying to overcome the consequences of having taken freedom a little too far. A happy medium, there usually isn't. Jobs that have you on your feet all day are VASTLY over rated too. Did that briefly for awhile, was much happier as a cubicle rat that one kept people away from and just fed problems (and pizza if the day went much past eight hours, which wasn't that uncommon). |
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Post by BOGC on Oct 27, 2024 12:37:36 GMT -5
I can’t see Jackie waiting tables! In a place that was in the laid back boonies but just upscale enough for polite customers on Sunday behavior all week long, I think she could do it, and do it well, for what it is. A waste of talent except for whatever human experience it would provide. Dealing with a real-world mix of decent people and aholes, maybe not so much. Too much stress in ways she's probably vulnerable to. |
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Post by BOGC on Oct 27, 2024 12:38:40 GMT -5
she has in my opinion decided to do music 🎶 on her own terms ! She should have decided to do music on Taylor Swift's terms. Much more glamorous and lucrative. Bleep TS. Or not, if her list of bad ex songs is based on reality, lots of people did already. |
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Post by msims on Oct 27, 2024 12:56:04 GMT -5
The key takeaway is: " that money is then split among songwriters, producers, record labels and other collaborators in addition to Allen herself." One would have to be delusional to think it all goes to the artist. |
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Post by amg1977 on Oct 27, 2024 13:18:39 GMT -5
Jackie is carrying too much baggage. I've said this before: It's her name. If you put her name in a playlist you'll get her new song and then a bunch of stuff that'll make most people go "Eww, no." It's the name. It's the name.
What you describe is not a name problem. It's a presentation problem. Someone who is an alt type person who might get to her Spotify or YouTube page would not be sure what is going on with Jackie. Artists have some control over their social media pages and Jackie needs to exercise some control on this aspect of her public face to the world. I had mentioned after her TMS run, she should have filled the choice spaces of her YouTube page with pop covers. That would have made it more inviting for potential new fans. She should do that now if her current music is her intended direction.
You can also learn from others' good moves and bad moves in rebrands. While almost everything Jojo Siwa's rebrand has been a train wreck, the one smart thing she did was to place her new music on a separate Spotify page from her earlier kids' stuff. Jackie might want to consider placing her stuff from MP on its own Spotify page. I'm not sure the process for doing that, but it certainly can be done. That way people finding her from her new music would not end up confused and existing fans would already know where to find things.
In alt circles, particularly with gen z, the term "authenticity" is thrown about a lot. Now a lot of this is, in my opinion, just pretentious bs. However, that doesn't change the fact that there is an innate appeal among that crowd for someone on a search for their "true self" though their music. So you want to place things like the songs on Solla front and center. A cover like BHS would fit in there as well.
Jackie's past really is not the issue so much as the aforementioned authenticity. Lots of alt/pop-rock types began in other genres and rebelled by presenting an alternative persona and music. Sometimes the changes are gradual and sometimes abrupt - the best example of the latter was Canadian teen pop idol Alanis Morissette going full "crazy ex-girlfriend" on Jagged Little Pill. It all comes down to whether she is committed to her music or just throwing things against the wall hoping something will stick.
For those curious about a pop culture history reference I made above:
Teen Pop Alanis 1992
Alt Alanis 1995:
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Post by amg1977 on Oct 27, 2024 13:36:15 GMT -5
The key takeaway is: " that money is then split among songwriters, producers, record labels and other collaborators in addition to Allen herself." One would have to be delusional to think it all goes to the artist.
Of course the money they are referring to is what Billboard described in the graphic I've shown you half a dozen time b but you can't get through your head:
Spotify makes three payments: the recorded music payment (80%) goes to the label and the artist gets 20% of that (which is 16% of the total); the performance goes to BMI, ASCAP, etc., who get a cut with the rest split between publisher and songwriter; the mechanicals get sent to the publisher who splits it with the songwriter. Over the last five years, Spotify has paid out $0.02 per stream. And yes, you would have to be delusional to think an artist got all of that. But no one has said they did. What was said was that the ARTIST (and confirmed by your own source Greg Camp) was paid $0.0032 per stream. Well with that $0.02 per stream, you can multiply by 16% and you get
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$0.02 X 0.16 = $0.0032.
I know math is hard for you, but this is not exactly differential equations here. 
Now all of this will change in the near future with a new agreement in place between record labels and streaming platforms. There has been some indication songwriters are getting shafted (again). I'm sure we will be getting new stats in due time.
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Post by Band In A Van on Oct 27, 2024 14:32:45 GMT -5
I just searched Jackie Evancho on YouTube and scrolled through 40 jackie videos before I even got to another song from Solla. All old stuff. The first two were thumbnails of her singing The Lord's Prayer and To Believe. Around 30 into the scrolling YouTube started recommending Charlotte Church and several other talent show girls. I never got to Black Hole Sun so I gave up.
Your average scroller is going to give up looking to discover anything new. I doubt my search results are atypical. This dominance of her old stuff is part of what I consider baggage. There are several other categories of baggage that have been discussed on this forum that I don't have to repeat. I honestly think that Jackie has MORE baggage than any transitioned/ing singer I can think of.
She has had six years of adulthood to push enough new material into her catalog to drown out the early stuff, but so far it's been a trickle. If there is nothing new to find, that is BAGGAGE also!
She didn't manage to transition. She willingly carried all that baggage into her mid twenties, so now is it even possible to build a new audience? I don't think so. I'm telling you, if I was her manager or a parent, I would not object to her trying a new stage name in order to make music as a side hustle as an experiment. She wouldn't be the first. A good manager would know how to make that happen, to hook her up to join a good band and keep it on the down low.
We'll see what happens after she completes her opening-act job. It'll be a good experience for her, and if anything comes of it, that would be ideal. I still think that it will take many more of those, and many more original songs over a much shorter period of time than she took to get Solla out, before any of that matters.
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Post by richard on Oct 27, 2024 15:16:10 GMT -5
I just searched Jackie Evancho on YouTube and scrolled through 40 jackie videos before I even got to another song from Solla. All old stuff. The first two were thumbnails of her singing The Lord's Prayer and To Believe. Around 30 into the scrolling YouTube started recommending Charlotte Church and several other talent show girls. I never got to Black Hole Sun so I gave up. You have to remember Jackie's social media has always been messed up you have to look under releases for Black Hole Sun. But don't worry I don't think anyone is looking for it anyways. Not to many people at least that are anywhere around Jackie's age is looking for depressing music.
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Post by donkey on Oct 27, 2024 15:29:09 GMT -5
I just searched Jackie Evancho on YouTube and scrolled through 40 jackie videos before I even got to another song from Solla. All old stuff. The first two were thumbnails of her singing The Lord's Prayer and To Believe. Around 30 into the scrolling YouTube started recommending Charlotte Church and several other talent show girls. I never got to Black Hole Sun so I gave up. You have to remember Jackie's social media has always been messed up you have to look under releases for Black Hole Sun. But don't worry I don't think anyone is looking for it anyways. Not to many people at least that are anywhere around Jackie's age is looking for depressing music.
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