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Post by BOGC on Oct 27, 2024 17:19:52 GMT -5
I just searched Jackie Evancho on YouTube and scrolled through 40 jackie videos before I even got to another song from Solla. All old stuff. The first two were thumbnails of her singing The Lord's Prayer and To Believe. Around 30 into the scrolling YouTube started recommending Charlotte Church and several other talent show girls. I never got to Black Hole Sun so I gave up. If you actually click on the hit for her account and ignore all the other stuff that YouTube comes up with (auto-posted, posted by Sony, VEVO, whatever), the Solla tracks are all at the top. Black Hole Sun isn't, but it isn't far down. She can control how her account presents content. She can't control how YouTube presents content beyond her account. Anyone lacking the skills to find what they're looking for is too clueless to buy a ticket probably. Or doesn't care enough to bother anyway if it takes an extra five seconds to find what they want. |
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Post by Band In A Van on Oct 27, 2024 21:38:26 GMT -5
I just searched Jackie Evancho on YouTube and scrolled through 40 jackie videos before I even got to another song from Solla. All old stuff. The first two were thumbnails of her singing The Lord's Prayer and To Believe. Around 30 into the scrolling YouTube started recommending Charlotte Church and several other talent show girls. I never got to Black Hole Sun so I gave up. If you actually click on the hit for her account and ignore all the other stuff that YouTube comes up with (auto-posted, posted by Sony, VEVO, whatever), the Solla tracks are all at the top. Black Hole Sun isn't, but it isn't far down. She can control how her account presents content. She can't control how YouTube presents content beyond her account. Anyone lacking the skills to find what they're looking for is too clueless to buy a ticket probably. Or doesn't care enough to bother anyway if it takes an extra five seconds to find what they want. I know how to go to someone's account. I was basically doing a Google search in YouTube to see what rises to the top. I do it this way all the time for people (not just musicians) I hear of but haven't delved into. Going into someone's account page is a next level of interest. In general search you find interviews, reactions, TV appearances, concerts and other things you won't necessarily find on the account page. You're talking like a fan who knows her, I'm talking like a hypothetical someone who has enough curiosity to go a step or two, and what they might find (and won't find). You don't need to make assumptions about people's abilities or level of interest. |
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Post by BOGC on Oct 27, 2024 22:16:23 GMT -5
If you actually click on the hit for her account and ignore all the other stuff that YouTube comes up with (auto-posted, posted by Sony, VEVO, whatever), the Solla tracks are all at the top. Black Hole Sun isn't, but it isn't far down. She can control how her account presents content. She can't control how YouTube presents content beyond her account. Anyone lacking the skills to find what they're looking for is too clueless to buy a ticket probably. Or doesn't care enough to bother anyway if it takes an extra five seconds to find what they want. I know how to go to someone's account. I was basically doing a Google search in YouTube to see what rises to the top. I do it this way all the time for people (not just musicians) I hear of but haven't delved into. Going into someone's account page is a next level of interest. In general search you find interviews, reactions, TV appearances, concerts and other things you won't necessarily find on the account page. You're talking like a fan who knows her, I'm talking like a hypothetical someone who has enough curiosity to go a step or two, and what they might find (and won't find). You don't need to make assumptions about people's abilities or level of interest. Those who PERSIST at seeking, find. Dilettantes probably don't. You didn't address the point that there's not much she can do to control a search for her beyond her account, except to absolutely saturate media with new content and interviews all the time. And even if she wanted to, the problem with saturation is after awhile you've used up all the places you can go. Can't whip out a new song every week...nobody else has to. |
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Post by Band In A Van on Oct 28, 2024 0:00:22 GMT -5
I know how to go to someone's account. I was basically doing a Google search in YouTube to see what rises to the top. I do it this way all the time for people (not just musicians) I hear of but haven't delved into. Going into someone's account page is a next level of interest. In general search you find interviews, reactions, TV appearances, concerts and other things you won't necessarily find on the account page. You're talking like a fan who knows her, I'm talking like a hypothetical someone who has enough curiosity to go a step or two, and what they might find (and won't find). You don't need to make assumptions about people's abilities or level of interest. Those who PERSIST at seeking, find. Dilettantes probably don't. You didn't address the point that there's not much she can do to control a search for her beyond her account, except to absolutely saturate media with new content and interviews all the time. And even if she wanted to, the problem with saturation is after awhile you've used up all the places you can go. Can't whip out a new song every week...nobody else has to. I didn't miss the point, I ignored it. MY point is that she's invisible. Whether she can do anything about it or not is only answerable over time. Plus I have no idea what you're trying to say by taking shots at the general music-seeking public (e.g., they're clueless, apathetic, dilettantes). Are you trying to create some kind of culpability by implication, suggesting that if only they would just become better people, things for Jackie would be different? It's all their fault for not trying harder to be fans? |
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Post by The Jackinator on Oct 28, 2024 10:30:48 GMT -5
Jackie is carrying too much baggage. I've said this before: It's her name. If you put her name in a playlist you'll get her new song and then a bunch of stuff that'll make most people go "Eww, no." It's the name. It's the name. Disappear into a band. Learn to play an instrument. Be that player in the band. Share the vocals among player/singers. Don't name the band anything with "Jackie" or "Evancho" in it. Call it "The Units" or "Bellyflop" or something urban or something that looks good on a telephone pole. Don't be the headliner. Stop whining about health. Stop talking about AGT. Stop being the victim. Start being a musician. Rehearse in someone's garage. Play taverns in Pittsburg. Wait tables on the off days. Live the life of a startup musician. Start experiencing being a twenty-something before it's too late. Stop trying to cling to stardom. If you can't let go, do the Jackie Evancho thing once or twice a year in some place like Texas. There is no ladder to climb with "Jackie Evancho" written on it. That is a good strategy. She will go nowhere if she stays in the CC space |
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Post by donkey on Oct 28, 2024 10:53:42 GMT -5
Jackie is carrying too much baggage. I've said this before: It's her name. If you put her name in a playlist you'll get her new song and then a bunch of stuff that'll make most people go "Eww, no." It's the name. It's the name. Disappear into a band. Learn to play an instrument. Be that player in the band. Share the vocals among player/singers. Don't name the band anything with "Jackie" or "Evancho" in it. Call it "The Units" or "Bellyflop" or something urban or something that looks good on a telephone pole. Don't be the headliner. Stop whining about health. Stop talking about AGT. Stop being the victim. Start being a musician. Rehearse in someone's garage. Play taverns in Pittsburg. Wait tables on the off days. Live the life of a startup musician. Start experiencing being a twenty-something before it's too late. Stop trying to cling to stardom. If you can't let go, do the Jackie Evancho thing once or twice a year in some place like Texas. There is no ladder to climb with "Jackie Evancho" written on it. That is a good strategy. She will go nowhere if she stays in the CC space But going that way and not using her name or past fame to give her assists along the way would just make her another unknown band...and it would make her chances at success next to zero as well. You have use your name to get what little career assists you can...its your only advantage over the multitudes of unknowns. |
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Post by The Jackinator on Oct 28, 2024 11:09:14 GMT -5
That is a good strategy. She will go nowhere if she stays in the CC space But going that way and not using her name or past fame to give her assists along the way would just make her another unknown band...and it would make her chances at success next to zero as well. You have use your name to get what little career assists you can...its your only advantage over the multitudes of unknowns. At this point, her name might be working against her. She is associated with CC, and young folk are not interested. As Band in a Van referenced, when people look up her name on youtube, all they see is hundreds of videos of her singing CC. If she was in a new band performing modern music, she would be able to break away more easily from being a CC singer to something more modern. |
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Post by msims on Oct 28, 2024 12:04:56 GMT -5
Sims you should stop with what all these old singers say. Jackie is 24 not 76 like Stevie Nicks. Jackie need to follow inline with what her generation are doing. Sims will mention anyone who backs up his spin narrative. He still lives in the dark ages when it comes to the entertainment industry using modern day social media. What role did social media play in her selling of over three million units, Cazakhstan? Her Mother managed her social media, that same person that Jackinator thought was managing her. The concept of Lisa dealing with promoters, labels, and all the networks was one of those weirdest spins ever. As usual: trolls tend to project as they are constantly spinning, I just deliver the facts. |
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Post by donkey on Oct 28, 2024 12:11:59 GMT -5
But going that way and not using her name or past fame to give her assists along the way would just make her another unknown band...and it would make her chances at success next to zero as well. You have use your name to get what little career assists you can...its your only advantage over the multitudes of unknowns. At this point, her name might be working against her. She is associated with CC, and young folk are not interested. As Band in a Van referenced, when people look up her name on youtube, all they see is hundreds of videos of her singing CC. If she was in a new band performing modern music, she would be able to break away more easily from being a CC singer to something more modern. Disagree...having some street cred in the music industry is better than having no street cred. It gets you certain advantages. But if she really wanted to totally break away from the cc side of things, which she has shown zero interest in doing by the way (that's more of a desire by some here, not Jackie), she could insist before doing interviews that while they can briefly touch on her musical success in the past, she wants the primary focus of the interview to be her current music. But Jackie still embraces her cc roots, and shows no interest in fully abandoning them. |
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Post by eulenspiegel on Oct 28, 2024 12:13:47 GMT -5
Emily played also piano during recording
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Post by The Jackinator on Oct 28, 2024 12:28:28 GMT -5
At this point, her name might be working against her. She is associated with CC, and young folk are not interested. As Band in a Van referenced, when people look up her name on youtube, all they see is hundreds of videos of her singing CC. If she was in a new band performing modern music, she would be able to break away more easily from being a CC singer to something more modern. Disagree...having some street cred in the music industry is better than having no street cred. It gets you certain advantages. But if she really wanted to totally break away from the cc side of things, which she has shown zero interest in doing by the way (that's more of a desire by some here, not Jackie), she could insist before doing interviews that while they can briefly touch on her musical success in the past, she wants the primary focus of the interview to be her current music. But Jackie still embraces her cc roots, and shows no interest in fully abandoning them. You've expressed your view many, many times and I have not forgotten your opinion. Clinging to CC is not what Jackie should do. She cannot dance on both sides of the fence. And as Band in a van expressed, she needs to do something more radical to be able to move on to new frontiers. |
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Post by msims on Oct 28, 2024 12:32:44 GMT -5
But going that way and not using her name or past fame to give her assists along the way would just make her another unknown band...and it would make her chances at success next to zero as well. You have use your name to get what little career assists you can...its your only advantage over the multitudes of unknowns. At this point, her name might be working against her. She is associated with CC, and young folk are not interested. As Band in a Van referenced, when people look up her name on youtube, all they see is hundreds of videos of her singing CC. If she was in a new band performing modern music, she would be able to break away more easily from being a CC singer to something more modern. Posting using one alias then defending that talking point under another alias is trolling. If you are asking her to be anonymous unless you are talking about a super group and Jackie is involved based on name recognition and her CC or pop or rock vocals to pop or rock music, thats not a bad idea. If you simply want to argue that her name makes her unpopular that is only an argument that feeds troll narratives and is stupid. Jackie built a career over the last 14 plus years and that is how still is able to get record deals, interviews, and concerts to market her music. |
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Post by 1 Guest on Oct 28, 2024 12:37:43 GMT -5
Sims will mention anyone who backs up his spin narrative. He still lives in the dark ages when it comes to the entertainment industry using modern day social media. What role did social media play in her selling of over three million units, Cazakhstan? Her Mother managed her social media, that same person that Jackinator thought was managing her. The concept of Lisa dealing with promoters, labels, and all the networks was one of those weirdest spins ever. As usual: trolls tend to project as they are constantly spinning, I just deliver the facts. She didn't need social media 14 years ago, it wasn't necessary, and she was the little girl with the big voice who was given incredible attention. At first you couldn't turn on the TV without seeing her, she was everywhere, including the major news networks and most daytime TV, and although to a lesser degree, she continued to get that TV attention for quite a while. And her record label had a lot to do with that, they wanted her albums to sell. She's sure not getting that kind of attention now, so what's left? Social media. She doesn't like doing it and what she does do often has nothing to do with her singing career. |
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Post by msims on Oct 28, 2024 13:09:05 GMT -5
What role did social media play in her selling of over three million units, Cazakhstan? Her Mother managed her social media, that same person that Jackinator thought was managing her. The concept of Lisa dealing with promoters, labels, and all the networks was one of those weirdest spins ever. As usual: trolls tend to project as they are constantly spinning, I just deliver the facts. She didn't need social media 14 years ago, it wasn't necessary, and she was the little girl with the big voice who was given incredible attention. At first you couldn't turn on the TV without seeing her, she was everywhere, including the major news networks and most daytime TV, and although to a lesser degree, she continued to get that TV attention for quite a while. And her record label had a lot to do with that, they wanted her albums to sell. She's sure not getting that kind of attention now, so what's left? Social media. She doesn't like doing it and what she does do often has nothing to do with her singing career. Why are you still here if she only got attention 14 years ago? I know it upsets you still so much so that you got to make multiple accounts and personalities to argue with. She DOES use social media and does acknowledge its importance, but you pretend she doesnt and no why would anyone like social media? She DID change management (she was NEVER managed by her Parents either except when management wanted her to work much more than she should and burn her out). Stevie Nicks expressed that Chappell Roan's schedule was too much. The striking while the iron is hot thing can be both a blessing and a curse if overworked. Rickky and Caz don't seem to mind it. Really what she only needs is concerts and that is how she was able to sell those albums. Multiple concert tours. But the nonsense campaign of complaining that they weren't on the books was just that, move on. Artists can tour as much or little as they want, case in point the potato who hasn't toured at all in five years or released an LP since 17. The comparisons have been nonsensical and only serve to feed ones narrative. |
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Post by BOGC on Oct 28, 2024 13:18:39 GMT -5
Those who PERSIST at seeking, find. Dilettantes probably don't. You didn't address the point that there's not much she can do to control a search for her beyond her account, except to absolutely saturate media with new content and interviews all the time. And even if she wanted to, the problem with saturation is after awhile you've used up all the places you can go. Can't whip out a new song every week...nobody else has to. I didn't miss the point, I ignored it. MY point is that she's invisible. Whether she can do anything about it or not is only answerable over time. Plus I have no idea what you're trying to say by taking shots at the general music-seeking public (e.g., they're clueless, apathetic, dilettantes). Are you trying to create some kind of culpability by implication, suggesting that if only they would just become better people, things for Jackie would be different? It's all their fault for not trying harder to be fans? I'm taking shots at anyone, not just music-seeking, that doesn't follow through on what they're looking for until they find it, subject to some time or resource limitations. With one exception (trying to find a biography of a mid 1800's author with only two books I know of, the publisher no longer existing, and may have been using a pseudonym anyway; not so much my interest, was trying to find it for someone else), I've managed to find pretty much everything I've looked for, including the current status of people I haven't had any contact with since 1st grade. Easier if they had unusual names, but still quite possible. People are LAZY. (so am I, but not when I'm looking for something) Maybe it's profitable to cater to the way people are rather than the way one might wish them to be. But nobody can totally control their visibility. Even if one can get a lot, others will tend to control the spin. So supposing some specific missing magical grand strategy to become known as an emerging pop artist, whether it be slogging through the hard startup many go through, or something to leverage existing advantages (or even disadvantages), is The Solution, seems like cr@p to me. Most of the free advice here or anywhere is worth what one pays for it (nothing). Most of those here haven't been in that situation themselves. Jackie works with people who have, and I can't imagine she's so incurious as not to ask questions. There ARE some limitations; I seem to recall one instance where someone who worked with her was asked whether they provided additional assistance, and they in effect said they were paid to do one thing, not to advise beyond that, which might not only be an unpaid service but actually a conflict of interest if they weren't specifically asked; they weren't in charge, she was. Still doesn't mean someone can't answer an occasional question though. An hour of that is billable, but a couple minutes otherwise spent waiting for something shouldn't be. |
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