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Post by ChrisR on Oct 29, 2024 4:28:26 GMT -5
As usual: trolls tend to project as they are constantly spinning, I just deliver the facts. lol Your so-called facts are very much open to interpretation. |
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Post by richard on Oct 29, 2024 10:53:09 GMT -5
Sims will mention anyone who backs up his spin narrative. He still lives in the dark ages when it comes to the entertainment industry using modern day social media. What role did social media play in her selling of over three million units, Cazakhstan? Her Mother managed her social media, that same person that Jackinator thought was managing her. The concept of Lisa dealing with promoters, labels, and all the networks was one of those weirdest spins ever. As usual: trolls tend to project as they are constantly spinning, I just deliver the facts. Would you stop with that fake 3 million units, that was all underhanded and Lisa even said they didn't get any money out of it. Maybe they should have read the fine print.
Jackie needs another 900,000 instagram followers before anyone is going to take her serious as a celebrity, and if it took her 14 years to get 100k. Than she will need over 100 years to get to that point.
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Post by The Jackinator on Oct 29, 2024 12:06:42 GMT -5
At this point, her name might be working against her. She is associated with CC, and young folk are not interested. As Band in a Van referenced, when people look up her name on youtube, all they see is hundreds of videos of her singing CC. If she was in a new band performing modern music, she would be able to break away more easily from being a CC singer to something more modern. Posting using one alias then defending that talking point under another alias is trolling. If you are asking her to be anonymous unless you are talking about a super group and Jackie is involved based on name recognition and her CC or pop or rock vocals to pop or rock music, thats not a bad idea. If you simply want to argue that her name makes her unpopular that is only an argument that feeds troll narratives and is stupid. Jackie built a career over the last 14 plus years and that is how still is able to get record deals, interviews, and concerts to market her music. BIAV mentioned that Jackie could benefit by disappearing into a group because if younger people looked up Jackie's name on Youtube, they would find a ton of videos that would most likely not interested them. Just wanted to clarify this as your entire self-esteem is based on your so-called expertise of Jackie and CC. It's rather pathetic to watch someone in that state, but if that's what trips your trigger, have at it. |
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Post by donkey on Oct 29, 2024 12:56:21 GMT -5
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Post by richard on Oct 29, 2024 14:38:35 GMT -5
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Post by johnnyb on Oct 29, 2024 14:53:30 GMT -5
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Post by colt46 on Oct 29, 2024 15:43:45 GMT -5
I like the song , more please Jackie !
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Post by donkey on Oct 29, 2024 16:03:27 GMT -5
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Post by Socal Fan on Oct 29, 2024 16:09:20 GMT -5
Jackie's new post maybe this is a hint of what she will be singing.Just a shot in the dark but I going to speculate that it is not OMBC. |
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Post by Band In A Van on Oct 29, 2024 18:16:57 GMT -5
Posting using one alias then defending that talking point under another alias is trolling. If you are asking her to be anonymous unless you are talking about a super group and Jackie is involved based on name recognition and her CC or pop or rock vocals to pop or rock music, thats not a bad idea. If you simply want to argue that her name makes her unpopular that is only an argument that feeds troll narratives and is stupid. Jackie built a career over the last 14 plus years and that is how still is able to get record deals, interviews, and concerts to market her music. Msims you would make a terrible detective. No trolling has happened here. I'm not asking Jackie to be anything. I'm someone on the internet with a strong opinion/hypothesis that Jackie's CC career has loaded up her catalog to the extent that new material, under a new genre and intended new direction, gets mixed and mashed with, and basically hidden behind, a decade's worth of CC material. I believe this must be frustrating for Jackie. There are two of my suggestions that are starting to get blended due to misunderstanding. One is a name change. There are actors, authors and musicians aplenty who have released material under an assumed name such as a pen name or a stage name. This can be done for various reasons, but the reason I intend is to be able to create an uncluttered path, or focus, between product and target audience. Such a name does not have to be a secret (especially for her label and management), but it would help to not reveal the approach for awhile until the new name takes hold in that target audience. I am NOT arguing that "her name makes her unpopular." However, I don't have to strain very hard to argue that her pre-Solla catalog is not very popular (i.e., not in high demand) and may well be eschewed by the very target audience that she is aiming for. Therefore, among those who are not attracted to her existing material, there may very well be those who would see her early material as representative of who she is now, and would reasonably say, "no thanks." So that's one suggestion: Change name for purposes of targeting her new material. A separate suggestion is... Two, when I say "disappear" into a band, I simply mean a side project where she can blend into a named act that does not feature her. I understand that for some this is a far-fetched idea, but I don't see any harm in a side project that she can pursue without the clutter and confusion that would likely ensue from announcing it. The idea is to intentionally not point anyone from A to B. A side project under a band name would not necessarily include a name change, but if the idea is to do it anonymously for awhile (as an experiment, a fun project, a market test, or whatever), assuming a stage name would help with that. Again, I'm not trolling (a tiresome accusation). Nor am I suggesting that Jackie become completely anonymous like some self-administered witness protection program. I'm not negating the value of her career. Suggestions are just that, suggestions. Nothing is cut in stone. There's no need to be threatened by ideas or lash out at people for having them. |
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Post by Rightwing Conspiracy Theorist on Oct 29, 2024 19:09:05 GMT -5
Posting using one alias then defending that talking point under another alias is trolling. If you are asking her to be anonymous unless you are talking about a super group and Jackie is involved based on name recognition and her CC or pop or rock vocals to pop or rock music, thats not a bad idea. If you simply want to argue that her name makes her unpopular that is only an argument that feeds troll narratives and is stupid. Jackie built a career over the last 14 plus years and that is how still is able to get record deals, interviews, and concerts to market her music. Msims you would make a terrible detective. No trolling has happened here. I'm not asking Jackie to be anything. I'm someone on the internet with a strong opinion/hypothesis that Jackie's CC career has loaded up her catalog to the extent that new material, under a new genre and intended new direction, gets mixed and mashed with, and basically hidden behind, a decade's worth of CC material. I believe this must be frustrating for Jackie. There are two of my suggestions that are starting to get blended due to misunderstanding. One is a name change. There are actors, authors and musicians aplenty who have released material under an assumed name such as a pen name or a stage name. This can be done for various reasons, but the reason I intend is to be able to create an uncluttered path, or focus, between product and target audience. Such a name does not have to be a secret (especially for her label and management), but it would help to not reveal the approach for awhile until the new name takes hold in that target audience. I am NOT arguing that "her name makes her unpopular." However, I don't have to strain very hard to argue that her pre-Solla catalog is not very popular (i.e., not in high demand) and may well be eschewed by the very target audience that she is aiming for. Therefore, among those who are not attracted to her existing material, there may very well be those who would see her early material as representative of who she is now, and would reasonably say, "no thanks." So that's one suggestion: Change name for purposes of targeting her new material. A separate suggestion is... Two, when I say "disappear" into a band, I simply mean a side project where she can blend into a named act that does not feature her. I understand that for some this is a far-fetched idea, but I don't see any harm in a side project that she can pursue without the clutter and confusion that would likely ensue from announcing it. The idea is to intentionally not point anyone from A to B. A side project under a band name would not necessarily include a name change, but if the idea is to do it anonymously for awhile (as an experiment, a fun project, a market test, or whatever), assuming a stage name would help with that. Again, I'm not trolling (a tiresome accusation). Nor am I suggesting that Jackie become completely anonymous like some self-administered witness protection program. I'm not negating the value of her career. Suggestions are just that, suggestions. Nothing is cut in stone. There's no need to be threatened by ideas or lash out at people for having them. Asking sims to understand a nuanced concept is a tough ask. The idea of Jackie disappearing into a band sounds great. I don't think it would matter much whether she was a lead singer or a role player. If the band was able to produce solid music and a hit or two, that would be an easier way to propel her career in a new direction than trying to say "Hi world, I'm Jackie Evancho and I'm a pop and cc singer" |
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Post by Socal Fan on Oct 29, 2024 19:19:29 GMT -5
One is a name change. There are actors, authors and musicians aplenty who have released material under an assumed name such as a pen name or a stage name. Interesting idea. An example is someone Jackie will be touring with. Sydney Sierota is a member of Echosmith who is also attempting a solo singing career. In her solo career, she uses her married name Sydney Quiseng. Presumably, she does this to provide a clear distinction between her career with Echosmith and her solo career. Jackie could do the same, for example, use her mother's maiden name to clearly distinguish between her CC and pop careers. |
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Post by Band In A Van on Oct 29, 2024 19:46:27 GMT -5
One is a name change. There are actors, authors and musicians aplenty who have released material under an assumed name such as a pen name or a stage name. Interesting idea. An example is someone Jackie will be touring with. Sydney Sierota is a member of Echosmith who is also attempting a solo singing career. In her solo career, she uses her married name Sydney Quiseng. Presumably, she does this to provide a clear distinction between her career with Echosmith and her solo career. Jackie could do the same, for example, use her mother's maiden name to clearly distinguish between her CC and pop careers. That's interesting, I didn't know that. I'll check them out. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Oct 29, 2024 20:14:21 GMT -5
The idea of Jackie disappearing into a band sounds great. I don't think it would matter much whether she was a lead singer or a role player. If the band was able to produce solid music and a hit or two, that would be an easier way to propel her career in a new direction than trying to say "Hi world, I'm Jackie Evancho and I'm a pop and cc singer" Sadly, easier said than done. Jackie could, for example, ask to join Greg Camp's band, The Defiant. But The Defiant has not been successful. Their only album, If We're Really Being Honest, was released a year ago in Oct 2023. As of today, the album has a total of 871K plays on Spotify. The album has 12 songs so that is an average of 73K Spotify plays per song. At a revenue of $0.0032 per play, that works out to $232 per song after 1 year of release. To be split up between the 5 members of the band. And as of today, The Defiant has 9K monthly listeners, approximately 10% of what Jackie has. Which might explain why Greg Camp has not quit his day job of producing songs for Jackie. Does Jackie want to join The Defiant and split their $232 per song six ways? |
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Post by donkey on Oct 29, 2024 20:34:36 GMT -5
Interesting idea. An example is someone Jackie will be touring with. Sydney Sierota is a member of Echosmith who is also attempting a solo singing career. In her solo career, she uses her married name Sydney Quiseng. Presumably, she does this to provide a clear distinction between her career with Echosmith and her solo career. Jackie could do the same, for example, use her mother's maiden name to clearly distinguish between her CC and pop careers. That's interesting, I didn't know that. I'll check them out. Do we know what that name is? |
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